What's wrong with that? Some of these current gen games could garner new life on new consoles if they take advantage of the upgrade. Most of these old games being able to maintain a 60fps is more than enough for me to want to revisit them.
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Jason Schreier (Kotaku Splitscreen) : "Sony will have PS5 only titles at launch"
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Nobody is forcing third party lol. Third party mostly cares about sales. And leaving a 150m install base behind right away for a 1 or 2 million install base isnt viable for them.
Thats why you see third party cross gen games from third party well into the console cycle. Nobody is forcing them or technically money and stakeholders are. But not the console makers.
I'm ok either way. I think this approach will shift more hardware, but Sony's brand is strong enough to shift hardware anyway. There are people in this very thread who are claiming to be day one buyers of the new console regardless of price/specs/launch games etc which pays testament to Sony's amazing gaming brand.
Microsofts approach works better for them because those that have paid for several years of gamepass won't have to invest in new hardware to secure the benefits of new games on the service.
Games like Titanfall looked great on the Xbox one despite having a version on the 360 so I don't think we'll see a massive drop in quality like some are predicting.
Microsofts approach works better for them because those that have paid for several years of gamepass won't have to invest in new hardware to secure the benefits of new games on the service.
Games like Titanfall looked great on the Xbox one despite having a version on the 360 so I don't think we'll see a massive drop in quality like some are predicting.
Microsoft is a company. They want to make money. Just like Sony. And Nintendo. You shouldn't "trust" any corporation.
Firstly, they said "one or two years" from November last year. That's a maximum of 1 year after launch.
And their current investment in xCloud server-side XB1 hardware is minimal in the beta phase to test out the streaming infrastructure. Behind the scenes they are absolutely ramping up next gen motherboards into their Azure datacentres.
This whole thing of you not trusting them to take advantage of the hardware they've spent millions developing is absurd.
This happens every new gen. Not everyone has disposable income for consoles so they get sad when the titles won't be cross-generational, which is pretty normal.
Yes, you are right, but what I meant is, when Next-Gen consoles launches, its obvious that 3rd Party will continue support for the Last Gen (in this case PS4 and X1), but in most cases the 2nd Generation of games is Next-Gen only besides Sports games.
I can trust Sony and Nintendo not to break the industry, because it's their bread and butter at this point. MS is the rich kid here, MS has a tendency of breaking everything with experimenting to find "the next big thing", great idea, business management books 101, but they're so care free and haphazard.
Remember when you could buy MS Office, then use it on a pc?
Now look at Office 365? Subscription based. MS will hike up prices tremendously for Gamepass if their idea catches on and they lead next gen. And if they had their way in 2013, you would probably be paying for games per a single profile on console today.
if MS gains number One market share next gen, if they dictate the way foward...
I know I personally didn't contribute to the games industry destruction next gen but whoever is ok with their ideas and blindly eats what they say today without wanting to figure out their angle and why they do what they do are part of what will be, if they succeed.
It will depends a lot on how MS will handle their Series X games, doesn't it?
Let the 3rd party take care of the crossgen offering and showcase your new hardware with first party exclusive is what work best IMO.
But again I'm not MS and i'm kind of traditional.
It's probably all about gamepass, it doesn't make much sense to base everything on a subscription system then cut out content for 45 millions boxes.
But again I'm not MS and i'm kind of traditional.
It's probably all about gamepass, it doesn't make much sense to base everything on a subscription system then cut out content for 45 millions boxes.
How will they handle them differently than how third parties did this gen with their cross gen releases? We saw upgraded next gen versions for cross gen games like shadow of mordor, GTA V etc. People still wanted next gen only games already because those upgraded releases still looked last gen compared to next gen only games like assassins creed unity.
yeah, but I have provided valid reasons why I don't trust them on this.
Remember when they said Xbox One couldn't work without Kinect?
did you trust them then?
Remember when they said we were overreacting about Always online?
Remember when they said their DRM is the future?
Remember when they said MS Windows 8 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and they fought tooth and nail to force it on us?
Remember, they went as far in 2013 to even hire 5 different crisis management companies to go on social media and forums to change our minds on always online and their DRM? (N4G, all major tech site comments sections, Gaming forums etc)
Sorry, I don't trust them and it would be SMART for every logical rational common sense having person to question what MS says, because they haven't earned my goodwill yet.
That is dumb. Whats the point of having x86 architect if your games can't run on older platform?
How does it work on PC? how does it work on phones? everything is supported on every device. Thats how it should work. I thought having PC like architecture we will finally leave behind this bullshit generation logic and make games more flexible
How does it work on PC? how does it work on phones? everything is supported on every device. Thats how it should work. I thought having PC like architecture we will finally leave behind this bullshit generation logic and make games more flexible
Yep. I don't think it will take a lot of time before we have complaints about cross gen games. It happens every gen.
Just a reminder of how much different a next gen only game will be:
Honestly such pointless discussion around this. Sony have always gone balls deep with the their new gens.
I get that you don't trust them as a company because of stuff 7 years ago. Bit outdated, but fine. But I just can't follow your train of thought regarding the use of the word "trust" and them using their new hardware. It's just a connection I simply can't fathom.
I dont know, something about some little kid Tommy, who just got his 360, and wants to play also next gen games on his 360.
Some of you folks are expecting the second coming of jesus from the next gen, LOL. C'mon, guys, expect higher resolutions and framerate in the imense majority of the games, not much more than that. This "Jaguar will hold the games back" logic is crazy. Remedy's Control is a great example. It has very advanced physics and amazing ray traced visuals, and runs bad on consoles. I expect it to run on Series X and PS5 like it runs on any competent gaming PC.
Next Gen Exclusives = Anti Consumer,
Not sure when that became a thing, amazing how detractors to next gen exclusives, those that are contrary to the norm almost appeared out of thin air...
This wasn't even a thing until the Matt Booty thread.
And not having next-gen exclusives is absolute idiocy because all next-gen is about is pushing HW etc.
Plenty weird views to go around.
This post, Im going to bookmark it. So next year this time, awaiting E3 2021, I can reflect on it and smile :)
Then again, I may feel that way next month.
Im pretty sure Infamous Second Son and Killzone Shadowfall looked so damn beautiful in 2013, Im sure they couldn't run on measly 512MB of split ram on PS3.
When people get excited about next gen consoles, they think about how games will evolve, and not just in the graphics department. I assume that's what people most look forward to, when a new console is released, how games can improve when made exclusively for new and improved hardware. From what I gather this time around, a new console feature like SSD for example can bring more to the table than just faster loading times and I'd think that by developing games for new and old hardware, it wouldn't be used to its fullest potential.
Still, I don't think there's anything wrong with Microsoft wanting to make their games cross gen as it's simply a different strategy, but saying or implying that Sony is "anti-consumer" because they want to make their future games exclusive to the PS5 is straight up nonsense. It has never been anti-consumer and never will be.
Still, I don't think there's anything wrong with Microsoft wanting to make their games cross gen as it's simply a different strategy, but saying or implying that Sony is "anti-consumer" because they want to make their future games exclusive to the PS5 is straight up nonsense. It has never been anti-consumer and never will be.
This is only for first couple of years where the window of anti-consumerism should end. Then it'll be alright to leave X1 users behind.
Times like these, I am reminded of GameFaqs' and GameTrailers' forums.
Those were all bullshit things from a Microsoft that looks nothing like it does today.
a new CEO
Open source contributing
A new Xbox team
A lot more first party studios
Publishing some games on Switch
Customer focused services and features (Game Pass, refunds, gifting, being able to buy games which are part of a subscription for cheaper)
Play Anywhere
Cross play
Keeping Minecraft everywhere
Backwards compatibility at no extra cost
XboxOne X with free X patches
None of this shit would have been done under the previous team.
Compare that to your points above and tell me they are bad things today
"Old shit"? Cross-gen games are rarely "old shit". Was GTAV "old shit"? MGSV is till one of my favorite games this generation. Forza Horizon 2 had a 360 version. Was it "old shit"? Because it's pretty similar to Forza Horizons 3 and 4 and I don't think most people would call those "old shit".
Usually they're built to "run" on the older hardware while meeting a higher standard of performance on the newer hardware. MGSV was one of the very few open world games to hit 60 on base current gen consoles. To me, that plays much better than most later-gen games that are built to hit 30.
There...there Tommy (pat on his back). No need to be angry. Go play outside.
Calm down, dude, i just expect that scalability will play a big hole on next gen. We're living on an age of Witcher 3 and Doom running on the Switch, you know?
To be clear, that's an interpretation of what Booty said. He wasn't very specific here and might as well meant "First 1-2 years after launch".
I think they'll do another 180 as soon as preorders of the Series X aren't what they expected anyhow.
NEWS FLASH: The industry has been broken for more than a decade. That's not something that was solely cuz of MS.
Cancelling an XB1 version just to push their next gen hardware would be anti consumer.
I already decided to purchase the PS5 from the get go due to the current PS4 library.
However Jason comment just further convinced me the PS5 is definitely the way to go if you wanna experience exclusive content
However Jason comment just further convinced me the PS5 is definitely the way to go if you wanna experience exclusive content
You can compare phones and PC to consoles .
A new consoles will be finally coming out after 7 years and specs are a huge jump .
Phones and PC get new hardware ever year so the base line goes up every year and after a while they leave the old behind .
Chances are half the stuff on phones today won't work good on 7 year old models .
Plus the CPU for current gen was already weak when they came out and now add 7 years to that so it more like a 10 year jump .
That ignores the entire market of PC hardware. People likes their games running the best they can, nothing new.
Because XSX is taking the opposite approach. Are you not paying attention?
Crazy right ?
The whole idea that next gen exclusives are anti consumer is just the new hivemind to defend whatever decision your preferred brand takes.
In the end there is nothing pro or anti consumer in both decisions : making or not next gen exclusives. They are both commercial decisions based on different strategies to bring/keep people to companies into their ecosystems.
Convenience is also factor, otherwise PC gaming would be a lot bigger than it's.
As most of my library are Nintendo games I like Microsoft strategy more.
If I decide to upgrade I don't lose my games and if I don't I'm not missing out.
If I decide to upgrade I don't lose my games and if I don't I'm not missing out.