Catch up on what? Multiplatform game design is defined by the capabilities of the baseline hardware, which in this case is consoles.
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Jason Schreier (Kotaku Splitscreen) : "Sony will have PS5 only titles at launch"
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Catch up on what? Multiplatform game design is defined by the capabilities of the baseline hardware, which in this case is consoles.
That's a good point, I bet Zone mode looked the way it did because of the speed it would have to stream the background. Now a Zone mode could have a actual background, even a changing background as you pass through many environments in a single track.
Looking at a Steam hardware survey, it's not like the majority of those owners are keeping pace with the latest tech anyway. The case for a console each gen, is that the minimum requirements increase so new things are possible. If the baseline is still hardware from 2013, then any investment in upgrading PC hardware is kind of a waste.
I'd like to see a WipEout game period, but yeah, that's a neat idea :D
WipeOut veichles so fast that they race between planets in a single track, that would be bananas.
Unreal Engine 4, I kind of joke here though. Scaling only in visuals and polygons for a smal MOBA game with not much intensive stuff to calculate (it was a PS4 game after all). Game logic and AI in Paragon was very simple, but this game could go from very pretty, to very PS1 in visuals. The max setting had brutal blurry AA though.
Oh come on. jim carry.gif, now I'm going to want this.
That kinda looks like ps1! That's so cool. Too detailed for PS1. But close.Unreal Engine 4, I kind of joke here though. Scaling only in visuals and polygons for a smal MOBA game with not much intensive stuff to calculate (it was a PS4 game after all). Game logic and AI in Paragon was very simple, but this game could go from very pretty, to very PS1 in visuals. The max setting had brutal blurry AA though.
Oh come on. jim carry.gif, now I'm going to want this.
Speculation on what Cerny said in Wired, what they demoed last year to devs and cutting edge PC SSD storage based around PCI-E 4.0 bandwidth which actually just became available on the latest Ryzen chipsets.
All "SSDs" aren't created equal. The PS5's (and Series X) read/write speeds are speculated to blow everything out of the water (except absolutely cutting edge PC SSDs). Basically it's speculated you'll be able to use the SSD as RAM for all intensive purposes. It's a huge leap from our current drives.
If you read the reply's one of them was from a coder who replied to Jez, he basically insults the guy by asking if he codes for games. Then in the same thread by John someone from Ubisoft chimes in and adds to it.
I hate when Jez is used as a so called "insider" guy is the biggest Xbox tool.
What is pushing capabilities " if not genre defining? A res boost? Framerate bost? That's not pushing capabilities.
I don't even think MS is wrong to want to support their previous consoles, I just don't understand why I'd upgrade to their super expensive new console if the only benefit you get is games might look slightly better. I do wonder how they actually plan on selling the console.
Even the simplest things can make huge differences.
I do hope the Xbox Series X cross gen games at least find a way to not do stuff like have unskippable cutscenes that hide loading, or slow walking/fitting through crack segments at the very least. Being able ti zip in and out of games is so nice. If I want to check some info on something in Path of Exile, I could go on their site and look in my inventory, but I find it better to boot up the game and check there, it's that fast. Then I might do a run of a map or something while I'm there.
So mostly marketing hype and hopeful expectations based on that.
That is something to know that it will be levering PCI-E 4.0. Looked quickly some benches that benches SSDs for PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 4.0 against each other. Nothing I would call blowing out earlier gen out of water in performance, but it's to be considered that 99.999% of games aren't designed for SSD. Star Citizen most likely being only one at the moment. When we get more games like that and cross-platform then these benches could be more interesting. Also outside of gaming scenarios we aren't talking anything mind blowing differences.
Using SSD / HDD space as extension for system memory isn't new in PC space, but haven't consoles done it even this gen? Huh, I assumed they would in most memory intense scenarios.
TL:DR: Looking towards seeing read / write specs for PS5 SSD.
Speculation is that the next gen consoles will be using NVMe SSD drives and I would say a 100% bump in transfer speed is pretty big over PCI-E 3.0.
It is a real time unity demo called, "Heretic" running at 1440p 30fps.
Because in the past these consoles were their own specialized machines.
These consoles now are just PC's running their own OS. Much easier to scale game quality now.
Benches disagree with you, in most cases there doesn't seem to be difference basically. 4.0 based drives winning out with fractions of seconds.
But like I mentioned in my post, software out there most likely isn't truly levering SSDs. Especially games out there as they have been designed with HDDs in mind. Cross-platform titles designed around SSD should spice up those benches in few years.
If they do straight out NVMe SSD I hope they pony up for 1TB models as I doubt they design them to be replaceable by end users.
So load times, that's next Gen to you? Same exact gameplay but better load times? That can be scaled and does not require development for just next Gen platforms. I doubt you'll be able to name a feature that can't be scaled.
Less about specialization and more about a single fixed specifcation is what defines gens.
That's why i questioned the one moderator who suggests that the new consoles will force pc gamers to upgrade to an SSD. It will be curious to see what the minimum requirement will be for Godfall
God I hope so bad that the Bluepoint Demon's Souls rumor is real and is one of these exclusives 😍😍😍😍
At some point in next-gen game developers should go "Fuck HDD" and start designing their games around SSDs. It totally opens doors in design that otherwise would stay shut.
It was an example, but yes since it's not possible to design games around SSDs on current gen consoles. We've been drooling over a Wipeout game where Zone Mode didn't have a simplistic background to do away with having to stream an environment at the speeds you travel at in Zone Mode. Then someone thought about traveling around planets with the speed, and that's the kind thing that make me excited.
Another person talked about how slow the vehicles in open world games are because higher speeds would cause issued. It reminded me how incredibly slow the mount in Dragon Age Inquisition was, they felt useless, and they had the nerve to add speed lines to them moving at that slow speed. Bioware wasn't fooling anyone with that air effect, but the last gen, and current gen consoles probably couldn't handle a faster mount in that game.
Now imagine a game that's designed around speed and quickly loading in the approaching environment. To down port that you will probably have to change the whole gameplay mechanics of both versions of the game (Dragon Age Inquisition horrible mounts), or you have to figure out some smoke and mirrors trick to allow it to work on the old hardware (turn everything into blocky structures, then slowly load in assets when you slow down maybe? I don't know).
That point for Sony first party devs is right now, or more likely, 2 years ago when they started dev on their games for PS5.
Third parties probably won't do so for years.
Superman game with that thinking. Sort of No Mans Sky, Star Citizen fly in towards the planet, ground.
Cory Barlog can do it. He can make a Superman game interesting... maybe
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Relistening to this reminds me that PS5 will have that 3d sound thing. Also being able to go save people very fast, and having to choose you you save would play into that speed and data streaming bonus of the SSD.
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Why 3rd parties would hold on to the HDDs beyond transition period of gens that is what...1 to 2 years? Consoles are what drive SW sales and it's all 3rd party cares about, PC is small market in comparison so PC isn't reason to hold onto that limiting factor.
I agree with these examples, but what about them holds back next Gen. I mean you proved my point, the previous Gen games will suffer not the next Gen. This entire thread is based of marketing and speculation. There is nothing saying you can't develop a game for next Gen hardware and just scale back previous Gen. Nothing has to be held back, so why are people assuming this? Plus the console publishers have huge IPs coming out this year. You can bet those games will be on every system it can be.
Basically, dark1x said it all. But I'll repeat my post from similar thread once again, because some crucial points about scalability are clearly ignored in every cross-gen discussion on Era, it seems.
You could be right, it's going to depend on adoption rates and other types of analytics but PC is not a market segment to be discounted given the rate of PC ports nowadays.
You have someone from Digital Foundry, and a dev that liked those Tweets, saying things will be held back.
It is common sense.
You can't design a level around a blazing fast SSD and then "scale down" to a very slow HDD. It isn't going to cut it.
I usually like to wait 6 months to a year before I upgrade to next gen but if this is a day 1 release I won't be waiting.
It's not really that black and white if the games they've had in development started many years ago, see Halo 5 and the ones they are making with old and new studios for the first year probably aren't AAA tech wizardry or on a scale that is crushing for an Xbox One and the expected big hitters turn up in year 2 which is common for generations. Lastly, we are going off a timeline of 1 year into next gen but after, maybe smaller scale games will appear here and there or they will all dry up and games will be next gen only. We just don't know.
i don't disagree that jaguar sucks and will suck if they continue pushing it for big games for a generation but I doubt that is the case but people are talking like they should just dump a generation in the bin when the first year is usually sod all, I don't get it. We are getting new games, hopefully good ones.
If the games have to consider this gen, we get bikes, or mounts that move slow on next gen, or don't get to work on a game mechanic that's built around speed, teleportation, or transforming environments into new ones as an example. Game designers would likely come up with a ton of uses for SSD alone. (goes off to google if there's a mod to speed up the mount in Dragon Age Inquisition for personal interests).
Basically "because some guys on the internet said it" is not good enough for me. At this point all you can do is wait for the games to be shown and see what the actual devs choose to do.
Sadly we don't have way to pull data on what kind SSD adaption and use rate we are looking withing PC gaming as of now.
SSD has been affordable choice for years now, basically every pre-built comes with one and every budgiest of budget builds now days pack one when looking at e.g. Reddit threads about PC builds etc. Anecdotally I would guess that majority of PC gamers have SSD in setup for OS and at least for their core game(s) even if rest of setup was bit more dated.
There is a reason why so many PC gamers are getting chuckle out of consoles getting on SSD train in 2020.
Solid points.
All the more reason to move to SSDs in consoles now.
I'd do the same if I didn't have a proper counterargument.
It's funny because you don't. Appeal to authority is not an actual argument or proof.
It's probably best to wait for more info on these new consoles. We still know very little about them. Right now we're just in recess, dreaming about fancy sport cars, trying to be the first to call dibs on them as they ride by on the highway.
People seem to think Sony will reveal a lot next month. I'm not expecting that though. But hey, Cyberpunk 2077 is soon! I bet this game will cause Xbox One base, and PS4 not Pro chug.
The very last sentence in my post was an argument. Try again.
Digital Foundry is not just some internet guys. I saw an Ubi dev and an ID software dev liking those tweets too.
So the outlet that does tech analysis and actual devs agreeing with their point about cross gen holding stuff back.
Next Gen is going to brutally highlight what is wrong with current gen hardware.
That may have been me and I stand by my assertions.
Games designed around leveraging SSDs on a programming level will have SSDs in the PC port's system requirements. It's not that difficult of a connection to make.
Not every game will do so, some will strongly recommend on penalty of insane load times. But some of the possibilities being discussed, if utilized, will require an SSD on all platforms.
Star Citizen is already unacceptable on the fastest of HDDs. It won't be the last.
A good example is back in the 90s with the transition from software renderers to GPU rendering. Some releases supported both, but after a little while you saw more and more games that required a GPU until software renderers just went away.
I see the same thing happening with SSDs. It's time for hard drives to go.