I think both just have different strategies don't neccesarily think its anti consumer, that's a bit harsh
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Jason Schreier (Kotaku Splitscreen) : "Sony will have PS5 only titles at launch"
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I mean, I get wanting exclusive games that push what a console is capable of as an incentive to pick it up at launch.
I just don't think there will be any games released for either console in their first couple of years that couldn't run with compromises on a mid-low spec PC.
I also get that the CPUs of current gen consoles are ancient by today's standards, but are developers' ideas really so constrained by them that their next generation games couldn't possibly work on them?
And the few games that do push the envelope, that perhaps use the new CPUs to push hugely populated and dense open worlds for instance...won't those games demand a budget so high that releasing them exclusively to a very young platform might be financially risky?
I just don't think there will be any games released for either console in their first couple of years that couldn't run with compromises on a mid-low spec PC.
I also get that the CPUs of current gen consoles are ancient by today's standards, but are developers' ideas really so constrained by them that their next generation games couldn't possibly work on them?
And the few games that do push the envelope, that perhaps use the new CPUs to push hugely populated and dense open worlds for instance...won't those games demand a budget so high that releasing them exclusively to a very young platform might be financially risky?
I feel like the PC is a bad example as there is a ton of exclusives you can't get on the consoles. It might even be the one system that has more exclusives than any single console. I guess if all anyone cared about is AAA you have a point but in terms of games that can only be played on the PC, not much has it beat.
I definitely chose which console I buy based on the exclusive games each one has as I play primarily on PC so 3rd party games don't factor in at all.
PS4 isn't going away. It will still get support, but PS5 will have exclusives at launch that will attract buyers to upgrade, vs. just being another "refresh" for a year.
They're not abandoning thier base like previous gen, they're not making that mistake. Pretty sure XSX games in terms of design will be as ambitious as anything PS5 has to offer, it'll just be a good deal reduced on older hardware.
Lmaoo consecutive squeeze through
If your game doesn't have a dozen of these because it's now designed for a hardware that can handle asset loading at a much faster rate, it's not gonna be so easy to just add these to your last gen versions.
Powerful hardware affects more than just FPS/texture quality.
Probably so
But from PS1 to PS2 it was a much bigger leap than from PS4 to PS5
Makes 0 business sense to put millions into a brand new console only to not have games exclusively to help push the investment.
Will be very interesting to see how this all plays out, especially with in my view MS first party line up of games and devs arent that inspiring.
Will be very interesting to see how this all plays out, especially with in my view MS first party line up of games and devs arent that inspiring.
It doesn't.
Games that were cross gen between PS360 and this gen sold way more on this gen. The activity was with the current gen.
First time I heard you speak was in the predictions podcast. Will subscribe. :P
The hardware can be pushed to the limit at launch, it just won't be used quite as efficiently. Learning tricks to get better results for less brute force power. You can make current new PC hardware sweat with Skyrim (a last gen game, mainly the GPU will sweat) and mods, it will look very pretty, but it will have the bones of Skyrim, a very old game. You can also play Control, RDR2, or other current gen games that are pretty new and look better than a modded Skyrim with a PC chewing bubblegum pushing out 144 frames per second, all while having very good gameplay, and use for the CPU.
I know, I just said install base isn't everything using 3rd party games as an example, but unless MS start giving out numbers we'll never know.
That much is obvious. At least initially thou, a PS5 exclusive it's not going to outsell an ecosystem exclusive (Halo Infinite on PC, Xbox One S/X and Series X etc...)
Well for me pushing HW to its limit is tapping out its all potential, not just your usual gen release titles that barely scratch surface.
But thanks for mansplaning that all to me like I'm 10.
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Sony have a pretty good mix heading into next gen. BC with all PS4 games and having PS5 exclusives day one is a hard challenge to beat.
To Microsoft, I say......
To Microsoft, I say......
Isn't this just a fancy loading screen? What here wasn't possible downscaled to a weaker console?
If your game doesn't have a dozen of these because it's now designed for a hardware that can handle asset loading at a much faster rate, it's not gonna be so easy to just add these to your last gen versions.
Powerful hardware affects more than just FPS/texture quality.
I hope they do even if they are not 1st. I'm tired of MAU jokes
Yes but the opportunity to start a new console war was presented which is why this was dug up lol
Demon's Souls without loading times between using arch stones will be pretty cool.
I'd say it's the job of first party to make that investment for strategic support of the platform vs immediate dollar return.
To touch on some of your other points, though, I think it favours the evolution of software in the cycle for as many devs as possible to be able to focus on a higher minimum requirement as soon as possible. Their first attempts - launch games - may not be the most sophisticated efforts but they're the shoulders on which the later waves of game are built. I think the level of sophistication of the games of 2022 and 2023 will benefit from the work that went into next generation exclusive games released in 2020, vs a scenario where 2022 games were the first of that ilk. It's quite reasonable to hope some devs can start asking themselves how to fundamentally leverage this level of hardware now, vs later, if starting that process later only delays the more sophisticated uses.
I also think questions of whether something is conceivably possible on less powerful baselines is also a little besides the point...what is conceivably possible and what is actually possible in a given schedule/budget/skill level differ, but everyone's ability goes up to their own 'best' with a higher target spec and focus. It's another reason incentivising user adoption of higher specs, faster, is desirable.
Now that we got that settled I'll reiterate my initial point that Sony wants to sell more hardware and MS more Software at the initial phase. There is nothing wrong with either and thus simply translates to different strategies and philosophies.
Most of those games are not even made by Sony, that is why it will be harder than ever to really show off the new system all on their own since third party exclusives are getting lighter and lighter (thankfully). Not sure how far along developers like Polyphony Digital are with GT6.Probably so
But from PS1 to PS2 it was a much bigger leap than from PS4 to PS5
Dude the one Switch exclusive at launch as 1 2 switch and snipperclips. c'mon... Breath of the wild was on the Wiiu.
No? You can have all that while Sony still releases PS5 only titles.
That's my point. If you are designing a more open game for next gen, it's not just gonna be so easy to downscale that to a last gen console as people in here seem to think it is.
Another great example that someone else brought up is how significantly Yakuza games changed after they switched to Dragon Engine and became PS4 only games as opposed to PS3/PS4 cross-gen.
Thinking about it, these platform holders don't need to be doing the same thing. They have different goals and priorities. So the people wanting Sony to copy gamepass can chill out and the people wanting Microsoft to copy sony's approach to a new generation can chill out too.
Are we genuinely thinking that PS5 games will have no single loading screen ever, no matter what you do in-game?
Sony have a pretty good mix heading into next gen. BC with all PS4 games and having PS5 exclusives day one is a hard challenge to beat.
To Microsoft, I say......
Good, don't bitch when The Outer Worlds and other titles don't show up on PS platforms!
Well, the Series X could offer options, like 4k60 or 1080/1440@120Hz modes with games the One X and S might only output at 4k30 and 1080p30. If you have a new TV, you can easily take advantage of that stuff. There's also the fact that, eventually, you will need a next-gen Xbox to play new games, and I'm sure quite a few people will want to go ahead and get the Series X at launch and be set.
Zelda did not play as well from what I hear on Wii U as it did on switch. ANd Mario Odyssey released in the same year(launch window). So did ARMS as well as splatoon 2.
Minus some ports, a lot of the games were developed specifically for switch.
Not at launch though. Which means maybe few months later or even a year.
Ms cares about revenue not just console sales, halo is going to do incredible on every platform. It'll do way worse just on series x that would be dumb, I doubt it would sell anymore consoles being just exclusive anyway. The game is going to dominant if it's good regardless. The differences between the two versions will highlight
The right start to sell PS5..... no problem with that tho, finally planning on getting a gaming PC and just keep my mac for work stuff, so between the PC and Sony, im pretty much covered, doubt i would have the time to fit in a 3rd console anyway... A PS5, and PC and done.
Christ. People want next gen games to be 100% designed for it and not wanting them to be held back because of old gen is elitist? what the fuck.
I've never read more bizarre reason to call people and a line of thinking elitist/toxic.
Exactly lol.
You find it odd that I don't think cross gen games are inherently bad, but that they are also not the reason why I'll go out to buy a next gen console on day 1? Seems pretty normal and reasonable for me.