This will be even easier with the ps5 now being backwards compatible, all the people that are attached to certain games from the current generation can have the best of both worlds, keeo their old games and olay the new only available on ps5.
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Jason Schreier (Kotaku Splitscreen) : "Sony will have PS5 only titles at launch"
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Just like printer manufacturers like HP try to sell you ink as a service....
If we learned anything from Stadia then its that it will take quite some time before Xcloud and GamePass on other platforms can offset declining Xbox hardware sales.
Xbox still needs healthy hardware sales in the foreseeable future, since Xbox Live subs as well as royalties are still THE major revenue generator for the Xbox platform, not Xcloud oe GamePass which - as we saw with Gears 5 - also negatively impacts actual software sales for titles which already have a huge visibility on their store front.
What's the empirical base for that conclusion?
Good, PS4 will have had an exceptional 7 years and there will be many crossgen 3rd party games anyway.
Sony needs to focus on pushing PS5 out of the gates and bringing the heat with exclusives is the way to go.
MS's strategy is obviously to bring all their games to as many devices as possible, I can respect that too, not really what I'd wish for, if I were a XSX buyer though.
Sony needs to focus on pushing PS5 out of the gates and bringing the heat with exclusives is the way to go.
MS's strategy is obviously to bring all their games to as many devices as possible, I can respect that too, not really what I'd wish for, if I were a XSX buyer though.
So if Godfall is only a (timed) console exclusive and will release also on PC then it's not a reason for you to buy a PS5?
I go to bed, then eight hours later, I wake up to find a thread that's the polar opposite of Booty's recent comment is created and has the exact same folks putting their (opposite) views across...
For me, I have long accepted that Sony and Microsoft (and even Nintendo) are doing their own thing these days, and none of them are 'doing it right', just that they pursue their own directions that works well for them.
Sony — sells the most home consoles, 10+ million first party games and are a beloved global brand. At present, they're transiting from one generation to the next with a fresh start in mind.
Microsoft — focussing on selling their services (Game Pass, xCloud and Xbox Live) to past, current and future Xbox consoles, as well as putting their games up on both Epic Games Store and Steam too. They are still unable to break free outside of their strong Anglosphere support though.
Nintendo — a fusion of home and portable gaming, very successful new and longtime IPs and are, once again, beloved around the world after a worrisome misstep with the Wii U.
Nobody knows what games shall be available on day one for both the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X.
Third party wise, a new 'Assassin's Creed', 'Call of Duty' and 'FIFA' seems like a sure-fire guess though!
For me, I have long accepted that Sony and Microsoft (and even Nintendo) are doing their own thing these days, and none of them are 'doing it right', just that they pursue their own directions that works well for them.
Sony — sells the most home consoles, 10+ million first party games and are a beloved global brand. At present, they're transiting from one generation to the next with a fresh start in mind.
Microsoft — focussing on selling their services (Game Pass, xCloud and Xbox Live) to past, current and future Xbox consoles, as well as putting their games up on both Epic Games Store and Steam too. They are still unable to break free outside of their strong Anglosphere support though.
Nintendo — a fusion of home and portable gaming, very successful new and longtime IPs and are, once again, beloved around the world after a worrisome misstep with the Wii U.
Nobody knows what games shall be available on day one for both the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X.
Third party wise, a new 'Assassin's Creed', 'Call of Duty' and 'FIFA' seems like a sure-fire guess though!
No why would it? It would only be interesting to me if I am really hyped for that game and I wouldn't be able to wait, but I always wait a year till I buy a next gen console because there ain't no games at launch or there is a drought. But it's not about Godfall (which doesn't look interesting so far), but more about other exclusives like Horizon, Naughty Dog games, Spider Man 2 etc.
If I knew all those games would release on the PC, why even bother buying a console except for my few friends that would like to play a MP game sometimes (which we mostly do on PC).
Edit: I am really confused about that question. Why would I bother? It's not like online services or anything on any console are great. if I have the option to play everything on PC I would gladly take it and not waste some stupid subscription money for a online service or not having options to change my game settings. This is more a thing about which friends play on which plattform which was never a problem in my case.
Well, you know, that's the point. They're trying to get people to adopt new hardware. We've seen what games can be scaled down to the Switch, I'm sure early next gen there will be games on PS5 that can be scaled down to the PS4, doesn't mean they should be though.
Both Microsoft and Sony's strategies make sense given their wider objectives as corporations. Not sure why so many of you are failing to grasp that.
It sells games
If the game is in development for quite some time and can run on Xbox One then why hold game hostage on next gen if there is a big audience on current console? Why lose money if you can sell game for more people?
they won't be developed like that though, why do people think that? They'll be made for the best hardware and scaled back on the base Xbox.
he was talking about actual exclusive titles for PS5 though.
Except for when you come across something that doesn't scale.
Could you make the same point with 10 titles for the PS3 or PS4?
Imagine getting sequels to all these games announced at the PS5 reveal.
Witcher 3 proved almost everybody wrong, them saying this is for first party titles only makes me confident it will pan out fine and all owners of MS hardware will be looked after
you could make this point with any new generation for almost any platform. That's the joke.
The main difference is that The Witcher 3 scaled after years of additional development. The question is whether MS is able to publish on multiple platforms at the same time while taking 100% advantage of XSX and PC. That requires a huge effort and probably multiple studios (or teams). In any case, MS's strategy makes sense since they only care about subscriptions and ease of access.
Personally, I believe this is the right strategy. It's worked quite well for Sony over the years. The way that they justify it, is by ending the current generation with a bang.
They're ending it with:
TLOU2
FF7:Remake
Ghost of Tsushima
REmake 3 (multiplat)
Cyberpunk 2077 (multiplat)
Probably lots of games I've forgotten about as well. It could turn out to be one of the best years yet for the PS4, when it comes to critically acclaimed games.
Adhering to their current base, whilst enticing that same base with what's to come, is IMO, the right way to go. I don't just want prettier visuals, I want something completely impossible on a PS4.
To comment briefly on MS's strategy, there are really only two scenarios they could go with and it's either,
a) The X1's used as the base, and they build upon that with prettier visuals (better lighting, higher resolutions, better textures, higher framerates etc), with the same gameplay and game design intact.
Or
b) They build two seperate games. A seperate version for each, that utilizes the strength of the SX. For example, now I don't know how big Halo Infinite is going to be, but the SX version could feature much faster vehicles or completely new ones that utilize the SSD's streaming capabilites.
I don't think scenario b) is very likely. They'd have to split their resources, and I would imagine it'd cost a hell of a lot more. But who knows, they might just do it, we don't know yet.
Scenario a) makes more sense, and I believe they'll go with that. That way, they'll also be ending the X1 generation with a bang (with the latest Halo). Exciting times!
They're ending it with:
TLOU2
FF7:Remake
Ghost of Tsushima
REmake 3 (multiplat)
Cyberpunk 2077 (multiplat)
Probably lots of games I've forgotten about as well. It could turn out to be one of the best years yet for the PS4, when it comes to critically acclaimed games.
Adhering to their current base, whilst enticing that same base with what's to come, is IMO, the right way to go. I don't just want prettier visuals, I want something completely impossible on a PS4.
To comment briefly on MS's strategy, there are really only two scenarios they could go with and it's either,
a) The X1's used as the base, and they build upon that with prettier visuals (better lighting, higher resolutions, better textures, higher framerates etc), with the same gameplay and game design intact.
Or
b) They build two seperate games. A seperate version for each, that utilizes the strength of the SX. For example, now I don't know how big Halo Infinite is going to be, but the SX version could feature much faster vehicles or completely new ones that utilize the SSD's streaming capabilites.
I don't think scenario b) is very likely. They'd have to split their resources, and I would imagine it'd cost a hell of a lot more. But who knows, they might just do it, we don't know yet.
Scenario a) makes more sense, and I believe they'll go with that. That way, they'll also be ending the X1 generation with a bang (with the latest Halo). Exciting times!
Didn't the Witcher 3 get downgraded because of the consoles though?.
I fully expect some modes to be locked out of some early cross-gen games on XB1.
Of course they will, they are continuing with the same strategy. I just hope Sony manages to execute the early years of the PS5 better than the PS4. I remember playing Second Son and there being a drought. Sold my PS4 and bought another one in 2015 right after Bloodborne released.
I like the Microsoft approach much more. It will result in flawless 60fps games with pristine image quality at 4k.
It's not like the Sony approach doesn't have advantages, but I'd rather have games with lower quality graphical assets, CPU simulations and whatever but at a high, smooooooth framerate.
It's not like the Sony approach doesn't have advantages, but I'd rather have games with lower quality graphical assets, CPU simulations and whatever but at a high, smooooooth framerate.
my guess would be horizon 2 and some smaller scale new ip from japan studio, hopefully not knack.
To me, if its b, why say anything at all? There would be no need to. It would be 2 different games. If its B, this was weird for Booty to say, especially knowing there would be the comparison to how Sony's doing it.
Agree, we dont know the details yet.
Personally I think MS approach is way more consumer friendly and much much better than the old style approach Sony is sticking too.
Also if I can buy a Xbox series X and play my new games both on it and my current X that's a big plus I think.
Also if I can buy a Xbox series X and play my new games both on it and my current X that's a big plus I think.
To give you one example as to why this won't work like that: there are fundamental differences between a system with a jaguar and a mechanical hard drive vs a system with a zen2 system and an SSD that goes beyond raw TFLOPS. Not everything developed with the latter in mind can be scaled down. if you want to build something with both of these targets in mind, you have to build 2 distinct solutions in much the same way that, for example, Shadow of Mordor handled it. Maybe they'll do that.
Also, like, generally speaking no game developer builds for the high spec and scales down. You build for low spec and scale up, because that's far more manageable.
If Bluepoint's game is a PS5 launch title and it is Demon's Souls Remake, that will be a massive title to launch with.
So you're basically saying you want to keep playing old shit because that runs smoother on overpowered hardware?
As a core gamer, MS said all the right things with the One X.... as a core gamer, their approach to not allowing "next gen exclusive games"... Im staying the hell away from their ecosystem. I owed 5 Xbox 360s in that generation, near every room in my house had one, to this gen when I stayed away because of their bad launch, the One X had me enticed... but this approach to not maximize the use of their next gen console?
Their not getting a cent from me till they change. MS approach is as bad as always online in 2013.
Im quite shocked other gamers want to make this industry into the cellphone game industry, thats a joke btw. The latest and greatest always held back by the phones released in the last two years.
By the time the PS5 lineup picks up steam, MS will already be releasing next gen titles, i believe.
I think MS strategy is perfectly fine, being a much more democratic and consumer friendly approach. They want to sell you the ecosystem, and will be Very happy to sell you any Xbox family system, or even just a PC Gamepass signup, this holiday season. Because they're offering choice , and because of Gamepass, the value prepositon makes much more sense. I can see the Xbox One X with and agressive price tag beeing a great Gateway product unto the ecosystem, and i don't see the PS4 Pro like that.
Don't get me wrong... I think the Sony exclusives are amazing games, probably the most advanced eye popping products of the market, but beeing a PC Gamer myself, i hate the concept of having to buy unto their walled garden, specially because the machine itself offers nothing different in terms of features (like the Switch does)
I think MS strategy is perfectly fine, being a much more democratic and consumer friendly approach. They want to sell you the ecosystem, and will be Very happy to sell you any Xbox family system, or even just a PC Gamepass signup, this holiday season. Because they're offering choice , and because of Gamepass, the value prepositon makes much more sense. I can see the Xbox One X with and agressive price tag beeing a great Gateway product unto the ecosystem, and i don't see the PS4 Pro like that.
Don't get me wrong... I think the Sony exclusives are amazing games, probably the most advanced eye popping products of the market, but beeing a PC Gamer myself, i hate the concept of having to buy unto their walled garden, specially because the machine itself offers nothing different in terms of features (like the Switch does)
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You see... firstly they said Two Years.
Secondly. I don't trust them. Because
1)They push Xcloud. This is based on 2013 Xbox One HW.
2)They say Xcloud will "eventually" become Lockhart based. So... do you think they spent 4 years making it Xbox One based, only to rip it all out and make it Lockhart based? (lol)
3) MS's apprach is purely for Gamepass reasons, to keep churning out games made once, then thrown on there and it will be supported by the garbage 1TF GPU/Jaguar CPUs.
4)They will always play a fake anti-consumer card, even two years from now, they will say its anti consumer to leave anyone behind, lets keep doing it.
5)Over and above everything, Lockhart is still garbage out the gate (according to Jason Schreier's sources, who cant even get beyond PS4 Pro power out of it)
Lockhart will hold back next gen too.
All in all, I am smart enough to not trust MS on this. Just like how Day 1 when news broke of always online, I didn't entertain that dumb idea either. (and I remember some on the old place defending those decisions tooth and nail the same way)
PS: And remember guys, Don Matrrick was head of Xbox, bit Phil was head of Xbox Game Studios, he isn't some new recruit they got to turn things around, he was part of the decision making process. Same for all the lies spewed about how great ESRAM is (ONLY to remove it with Xbox One X) and even a part of the decision to release official statements saying they cant patch out the use of Kinect with Xbox One, because it was designed around it to stay plugged in 24/7, along with always online.
So with MS's recent approach? I still don't trust them with the future of the industry at large.
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To be honest, Microsoft pisses me off with this strategy
Its the first time since X360 and PS3 Generation (and even way more better than that time period) where we get High-End Hardware on each component, and now they want to massively stop tha progress train by A) Lockhart and B) sitting on a 7 years old console as the main base?
I really hope 3rd parties will push only Next-Gen and are not forced in some way to develop for Xbox One or PS4...
Its the first time since X360 and PS3 Generation (and even way more better than that time period) where we get High-End Hardware on each component, and now they want to massively stop tha progress train by A) Lockhart and B) sitting on a 7 years old console as the main base?
I really hope 3rd parties will push only Next-Gen and are not forced in some way to develop for Xbox One or PS4...