It's going to be slightly more for Xbox, but it's not significant in the grand scheme of things.
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Jason Schreier (Kotaku Splitscreen) : "Sony will have PS5 only titles at launch"
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It's going to be slightly more for Xbox, but it's not significant in the grand scheme of things.
I just realised that given that this forum has a lot of love for FromSoftware and the Souls series, all it will take for most folks on here to buy a new console is a Demon's Souls remaster on launch day!
Me included, probably...
Me included, probably...
We don't know the launch dates for those games, I doubt all three are coming out within the first year of the PS5s life. If any of those games come out within the first year then that game will not take full advantage of the PS5, because it takes 3 to 4 years to develop a game, meaning it was started on PS4.
I think you misunderstand me, I prefer the above, as you describe. What I was taking umbrage with was that the others were just flat out saying "X is more pro-consumer than Y", without clarifying as you did in your previous post.
The general, all encompassing more "pro-consumer" title simply has to be given to Microsoft because their intent is not restrict anyone from purchasing new software titles based on their hardware generation, which means it is beneficial and cheaper for a larger number of people than Sony's approach.
This is why I was saying they were confusing "consumer" with "enthusiast" because Microsoft's approach is likely not better for the enthusiast (Though personally I think it will be a negligible difference) for the reasons you outlined.
If the argument were limiting the "consumers" to being only those purchasing PS5/XSX, then yes, Microsoft's approach would be less consumer-friendly for the aforementioned reasons, but the fact of the matter is that current generation Xbox System owners will be included in the argument, and therefore due to their large numbers, Microsoft has a significantly more "pro-consumer" approach to the next generation than Sony.
This proconsumer talk about the new Xbox is basically saying don't buy the system if you're not an enthusiast. It ain't going to do anything fancy except resolution, frame rate and load time.
Wait a couple of years for when it's on sale where there are next gen exclusive games.
Wait a couple of years for when it's on sale where there are next gen exclusive games.
Are all of those games releasing in the first year of PS5?
If so, I expect yes.
Sony isn't dumb enough to dump games that may sell 10M copies each on a platform with a 100M install base onto a platform with less than 5.
Considering the budget on those games Sony will never make their money back and will have essentially wasted those full development cycles.
Well if that's the case that'll suck for me. I miss clean gen breaks.
I believe that only the games already announced will be cross-gen games. The rest? Not so much.
There's a reason Sony kept their gunpowder dry within the last two years with regards to new game announcements. Their 1st party efforts are all about pushing PS5 as THE go to next gen platform, so why waste resources on the old one? Pushing PS5 is Sony's absolute #1 task in 2020-21, not making as much money as possible with 1st party games.
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Both Horizon and Spider Man are rumor to be release in 2021.
I hope that during PS Meeting they won't show any current-gen title (cross-gen is still current-gen and not going to matter). Just like PS Meeting 2013: only upcoming games, launch titles gameplay and some next-gen tech demos. Now I want more real time trailers and gameplay. Keep cross-gen BS reveals during E3.
I wouldn't expect all of them in the first year.
Even if they were/are, they will likely be PS5 only.
Those games are big enough to drive PS5 sales and still sell very well themselves on PS5.
A 100M+ install base =\= 100M+ active consoles.
I get first party but I wonder if some third parties are being arm twisted in some way or form to follow suit as well (bar of course lockhart)
Development is not tied to the current generation hardware what are you even talking about?
Developers don't even need a devkit to start development on next generation games those are basically only used later to finalize and get the game verified that it works.
If you don't know what you are talking about don't state things you don't know as facts.
No it doesn't, not if they anticipated that the game would be next gen and so worked towards that. Obviously final specs wouldn't be available early on but they would have a rough idea to work with
So are you only interested in graphical advancements and basically just get the same games as now with a shiny new graphical paint on them? Not interested in CPU, I/O intensive advancements in game complexity, AI, physics, environment interaction, game world design etc. ?
First party studios have known the general next-gen specs roadmap for years come launch. They know them much earlier than third party.
Why don't you just wait to see the games and then make a decision...
While I don't for a moment believe we will see all of those if some of them show up their goal is not simply to be profitable their main goal is just like Jim said to make people transition as fast as possible over to the new gen hardware. That is Sony's vision while Microsoft and Xbox vision and goal is not to sell hardware but to get people to use their services regardless of device.
So even if a horizon 2 have a budget that far exceeds it's earnings it don't need to be to be deemed less successful than the first one with how profitable that was.
However any launch game will have many years on the market and not just the initial sales of the console launch so it might still be profitable and even more so than a game released to a bigger user base it might just take a bit longer.
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That's missing the point of first party software. They will use God of War 2 and Spider-Man 2 to drive PS5 adoption regardless of when they release or what the user base is. First party exclusives have always been more about selling the platform than individual unit sales.
Sorry bud but those games will probably never be on ps4, they are made to sell consoles not the other way around, you think Sony stops and thinks about the 80 million ps3 consoles when they developed sequels to a game like uncharted? No, because those people either upgraded or will upgrade to play on a shiny new box.
Apparently thats exactly what i said, thanks for putting words into my mouth so it fits your childish narrative. Easiest ignore in the world
Okay lol
If a simple challenge question to what you post is enough for that, then a discussion forum is probably not the best place to spend your time.
Yeah, I thought it was widely accepted that the lack of new game announcements the last couple of years was due to much of WWS shifting focus towards next gen development.
Exactly, for Sony to decide to not only not go to E3 but also come out and say "We will have an event once we actually have stuff to show" makes it clear that they have been working hard on PS5 games so they are ready for launch/launch window.
I suppose it was inevitable that this would devolve into platform warring.
most of these things you cite are quite easily scaled down between hardware generations
For example, the PS3 port of Tomb Raider didn't stop PC from getting TressFx that the consoles couldn't handle.
you actually typed 'CPU' up there like cross gen games won't take advantage of a more powerful CPU? Lol
How? We are talking about strategic decisions. Sony can go Next-Gen Only with the PS5 because they have enoug Heavy hitters this year for people that don't want to upgrade.
MS can't do that, that's why they have a different strategy which is amazing for an Xone owner.
But of course, as soon as someone posts an argument that goes against the own opinion its " platform warring", lol.
TressFX is a graphical effect, it's not something that changes the game.
The things I mentioned fundamentally change the game and are definitely not easily scalable.
Tell me, how you will scale down physics in next-gen GT/Forza? For example added variables will finally add proper aerodynamics and a ton of other aspects of a proper simulation.
That equals more body parts, more challenges (like driving without proper downforce because of the wind/temperatire), deeper customization and more flexible online in Sport mode.
You simply can't scale that. And that's an obvious example.
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People will buy what they want to buy, of course. And all the power to us all. However, on one hand many are concerned about MS catering to what will be the previous generation, at the expense of the Series X - Halo Infinite etc.... On the other, a remaster is being labelled as a system seller.
I think that both strategies will be successful. Sony is doing what makes sense to an industry leader. MS is doing what they need to as a group that sold less that half the consoles, and need to retain users.
No. When you start listing games and going 'what does Xbox have to do to match that', that's veering into list warz.
You're also wrong about why Xbox is doing this, which is weird since it's Elementary and incredibly obvious. It's all about Gamepass. Microsoft wants Xbox customers to remain Gamepass subscribers. A key component of this is keeping the stream of games coming, and giving millions of slow adopters a steady stream of Gamepass games is key.
Hilariously, you forget that all these 'heavy hitters' come out well before the PS5 becomes an option for preorder, let alone purchase. What does that have to do with 'people that don't want to purchase'?
I can assure you that no game in year one will use either system to its fullest capabilities.
I get that, but you are missing the point around dev time and releases.
Why was TLOU2 not made PS5 exclusive? What about GoT? Wouldn't those move consoles?
Those games will likely release at best Holiday 2021 or likely after that date. They will be next gen exclusive and at that point in time MS will also be on next gen exclusive.
What do you mean? PS5 reveal in February. GoT coming summer and TLoU2 in April. Pretty sure we can pre-order close after the PS Meeting.
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Couldn't preorder the PS4 until after E3.
You sure Sony will announce the price in February? I doubt that.
It will be used as much as the developers can get out of it at the time but sure just as every gen they will be able to squeeze out more out of it at a later point with improved tools and knowledge.
Compared to a game that is also build around a CPU that was outdated in 2013 and a slow HDD however the system will definitely be pushed in a whole different way.
I could see some going exclusively next-gen sooner, especially for GaaS games that are meant to be supported for the rest of the generation.
? You need to learn the basics of a discussion I didn't start list wars.I stated a fact. It's apparent that Microsoft isn't supporting the Xbox One the same way Sony is supporting the PS4 in it's last year. That's not list wars. If you don't want to accept that, than okay do as you please.
Okay, then you're right for TLoU. But I pre-ordered PS4 June 13th 2013. That's technically before summer so before GoT.
With that said: webshops nowadays tend to put products on their site as placeholders much faster nowadays. Hell, you can already pre-order PS5 in Sweden.
Yeh I mentioned that earlier too! Even more confusing when you think that a Xbox One X can do 4k30...
God of War 2, Horizon 2, Spider-Man 2, if next-gen only, would both drive console sales AND have a long sales tail. Launch user base wouldn't hinder them at all.
They are two different games with the same name. Arcades for that matter. But alright, move the goalposts.Forza Horizon 2's Xbox 360 version is a 'different game' than on Xbox One
The Xbox 360 version of Forza Horizon 2 will be a different game than the Xbox One version and not a straight port; Instead the game will be a unique experience "inspired by the same ideas" as the...
I'm also curious to see what Microsoft will have coming in this no exclusive period between launch and 2022. A lot of their studios have recently released a game or are just about to, so there could be a long wait for any big AAA games from these studios. I guess there will be a lot of 3rd party and smaller 1st Party games filling the gap for the next few years.
Games before or at Series X launch.
Rare - Sea of Theives - 2018
Undead Labs - State of Decay 2 - 2018
Compulsion - We Happy Few - 2018
The Coalition - Gears 5 - 2019
Obsidian - The Outer Worlds - 2019
Moon Studio's - Ori 2 - 2020
Double Fine - Psychonauts 2 - 2020
Mojang - Mincraft Dungeons - 2020
InXile - Wasteland 3 - 2020
Ninja Theory - Bleeding Edge - 2020
343 - Halo Infinite - 2020 (Launch)
Games with no date yet.
Turn 10 - Forza ? - Launch ?
Playground - Fable ? - ?
Ninja Theory - Hellblade 2 - 2021 / 2022+ ?
The Initiative - ? - ?
Games before or at Series X launch.
Rare - Sea of Theives - 2018
Undead Labs - State of Decay 2 - 2018
Compulsion - We Happy Few - 2018
The Coalition - Gears 5 - 2019
Obsidian - The Outer Worlds - 2019
Moon Studio's - Ori 2 - 2020
Double Fine - Psychonauts 2 - 2020
Mojang - Mincraft Dungeons - 2020
InXile - Wasteland 3 - 2020
Ninja Theory - Bleeding Edge - 2020
343 - Halo Infinite - 2020 (Launch)
Games with no date yet.
Turn 10 - Forza ? - Launch ?
Playground - Fable ? - ?
Ninja Theory - Hellblade 2 - 2021 / 2022+ ?
The Initiative - ? - ?
Sure. The console isn't out.
But this is Microsoft marketing.
Because they don't need to be PS5 exclusives since they probably already have several already planned for the launch window. Why would they need like 5 first games to show of the new console and its capabilities?
Sony have a AAA exclusive basically for every quarter leading up to the release of PS5 this year and will probably have first party coupled with third party games for launch that is plenty. And the PS4 games will be playable and probably improved on the PS5 just like Halo.
They now have probably some of the most anticipated and best looking games made on the console to end the generation with a bang and simultaneously have real next gen games ready to go day one the new generation begins.