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Jeffrey Epstein’s death ruled a suicide
- Thread starter LiK
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I see, so Hillary hired a hit squad of DC comic villains to finish the job and make the terminology more confusing
No one else was qualified to do this, they HAD to get this guy.
It seems like people are just assuming and taking for granted that him being dead, whether allowed to commit suicide or murdered, will benefit powerful people in some significant way. Why? He had no reason to talk and cut a deal. No plea bargain was getting him out of jail during his lifetime, especially considering any state charges he would potentially face in multiple states.
All of the evidence they've collected so far and any they collect going forward still exists and now has no one to challenge it. On balance I don't really know that you could argue in any technically informed way, as opposed to just making assumptions, that anyone potentially caught up in this is now better off. The increased attention and the fact these people could make multiple careers for high profile prosecution certainly isn't good for them either.
All of the evidence they've collected so far and any they collect going forward still exists and now has no one to challenge it. On balance I don't really know that you could argue in any technically informed way, as opposed to just making assumptions, that anyone potentially caught up in this is now better off. The increased attention and the fact these people could make multiple careers for high profile prosecution certainly isn't good for them either.
Well there was this pesky criminal trial where he was the only defendent
Just a quick reminder that if Epstein was alive then all the NDAs that people were signing had a chance of being enforceable. Now that he's dead, they may as well not exist
I mean having a very public trial of one of the worlds most notorious high profile billionaire pedophile where all signs point to there being some kind of elite pedophile ring or whatever the fuck was really going on would be a big deal, ya know? I know people are still interested in the story even after epstein died but do you really believe this trial being quashed will have no effect on anything?
If there were cases against other people before he died there are still cases after. In fact those cases become easier since with Epstein dead that plea agreement he signed previously is gone and any "co-conspirator" can't use it for protection.
Who decides if theres cases against other people? Who brings this shit to trial? Why did it take so long to get epstein for this shit when everyone paying any attention was aware of it? Ah yes the justice system will take care of the rest! Go get em boys!
It's just telling that in the best case scenario we have a completely fucked negligent and incompetent prison system.
Prosecutors would have loved to get him to roll on whoever else was involved in his pedophilic bullshit so I figure a combination of "I'm not spending my life behind bars" and "I'm not getting murdered for exposing people" drove him to suicide.
Thats not what we were talking about. Putting epstein down just ended his criminal trial. The only criminal trial I am aware of about this. A very public event that would have kept this issue at the publics forefront for a very long time. My point in all this is that the systems of power that have kept this issue from being brought to justice are the same systems that are responsible for persecuting other pedophile billionaires. Those systems of power also assassinated epstein (i will call it that even if all they did was let him kill himself). You are saying it doesn't matter the epstein is dead and I agree with you, theres no stopping this. We disagree over the idea that people wanted epstein dead, they absolutely did.
Presumably, he convinced the psychologist he wasn't at risk. "I'm happy, I'm going to fight my case, no way I'm going to off myself, nosirree."
They take him off suicide watch and whoopsie daisy.
I don't get the 911 conspiracy theories analogy. Coerced suicide is closer to the application of occam's razor whereas an overly complex government conspiracy to attack itself to justify wars is the opposite of occam's razor.
Could it be suicide? Sure. But the couple of plausible assumptions and a cover up is likely imo. if you were those rich pedos and and you already were organized to get underaged girls you'd also collectively organize to optimize your chances legally.
Could it be suicide? Sure. But the couple of plausible assumptions and a cover up is likely imo. if you were those rich pedos and and you already were organized to get underaged girls you'd also collectively organize to optimize your chances legally.
Mandatory minimums mean he was not leaving jail ever. And that's just federal. He wasn't getting a plea deal that let him get out.
Why? It doesn't protect them. If the system is exactly as you say him being dead or alive makes no difference. Your argument contradicts itself.
Him being dead or alive doesn't make a difference to me beacause I'm a pessimist
It would take a series of hundreds of epstein trials to accomplish anything real, we couldn't even get 1 cleanly
Realistically though Epstein was never going to rat. He was too big of a fish and there's no amount of cooperation that would have resulted in him *not* spending the rest of his life in prison. They never would have offered him that much.
If others get taken down it's going to be because of videos and such and that was always the case.
So why would anyone want or need him dead to protect themselves?
Making it easy to kill himself would be like one of the most bipartisan things people in power could agree on, seeing as how he had friends in high places from both parties.
Why do I place rat traps around my house? Why do I spray for bugs? How many breads have you eaten in your life?
Huh? The rich and powerful suddenly want him dead now (but they didn't before) because they're spraying for bugs? Nothing you're arguing makes sense.
Here is a list of potential reasons for them wanting epstein dead
1. Sends a signal of total conrtol to everyone else
2. Housekeeping. Why not kill epstein? Unless you think that would be too hard
3. Sends a signal to the people investigating it that nothing they do matters, its really fucking disheartening knowing all the work that has gone into getting epstein might end right here
4. He might've known some shit he could have possibly used to control others while he was on trial
5. Ends the trial. This shit is huge, if you don't think it mattered that this happened I really have no other way to convice you of anything
I believe nothing would have changed if epstein didn't die, but why would people very capable of ending him risk it??
It's clear you just want there to be a conspiracy. No one has any clearly identifiable motivation to do any of this. You're speculating about sending signals (to who? About what? Don't let us powerful people go to your pedophile island?) and just doing it because why not. It doesn't make any sense. They could have killed him at any time. He's only dangerous once he gets indicted? Why didn't they kill him last time he got caught? Why haven't they killed him since?
It's just an unfalsifiable spiral of speculation entirely unconcerned with minor details like feasibility, rationality and evidence. You made a mistake I think and started by arguing people needed him dead and simultaneously argued the entire system would never punish them anyway and now you've arrived here. Because the conclusion is fixed and you're happy to backfill it with whatever you have to.