If you've bought both games, you've already allowed yourself to be nickel-and-dimed. Why is this different?
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Jim Sterling: Pokémon's Business Model Has Always Been Trash
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Two version is cash grab and nothing else at this point in time.
The motive of two version was interacting with others to get the remaining pokemon, but that hasn't really been a thing since gen 4.
The motive of two version was interacting with others to get the remaining pokemon, but that hasn't really been a thing since gen 4.
The most shocking thing to me about this thread is that people are really out there buying both versions of a Pokemon game for themselves. What???
I also bought White 2 but that game is a full on sequel as opposed to an updated version of the old game.
Yeah, literally the only time I've gotten a 3rd version when I had previously owned the original duo was Crystal. And I was a little kid who asked my parents for it.
I also bought White 2 but that game is a full on sequel as opposed to an updated version of the old game.
They could make the DLC work with both just by having one of the versions check the save data of the other version to see if the DLC is owned. If they wanted the DLC to work with both versions they could have done it.
Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright/Conquest's DLC was compatible with both versions, rather than each DLC having a Conquest and a Birthright version, and that was a 3ds game.
nobody is actually doing this, just collectors and crazy people.
the dual pack should hardly exist though considering the switch alleviates the only issues of one save file per game thanks to having accounts. only useful if you want to gift to a friend or have two switches
I don't know, does it have to be one or the other?
Trading Pokemon has been a major component of the games since day one. I don't like the way they do 3rd versions but I don't think having an initial dual versions is just a monetization tactic. How many people out there are really buying both version of the game? I've never had a problem just buying my preferred version and trading with my friends for whatever Pokemon in the other version I wanted.
So they don't want people double dipping? Why don't they just have you start the game choosing Sword or Shield mode?
I won't deny that there are people that buy both versions, but Pokemon is primarily a kids series and I don't think parents see any reason to buy 2 of the same game with minimal differences for their children if their kids aren't spoiled little shits.
Of course there are super fans that do both and many Adults also play it still, but I think buying both Pokemon games of a generation is equal to buying 2 subscriptions to an MMO.
Of course you can do that and it gives an advantage, but you did it to yourself then and you have no friends, congratulations.
I think it's more a "tell your friends to buy the game too" kind of deal.
Of course it's about sales, but you read too m,uch into it.
People that buy both games are a small percentage.
I figured as much. As for the dual packs, if you use them on the same Switch with different accounts, that means you can't trade or battle each other right? I always figured the dual packs were for, well, two people with two consoles.
The fact that the DLC is different for both versions is actually one of the most stupid things ever. If Fire Emblem Fates could make DLC work with 3 different games for only one purchase, Pokemon can as well.
Trust me when I say trading was reason number 1 it was a social phenomenon.
Honestly if they got rid of the two versions thing, more people would be disappointed than happy. It's part of the tradition now.
Scammy? Yes
Will it matter in the end? Nope because people will still buy both. I think somethings are beyond changing no matter how hard some people want to fight the good fight. I know change can happen, but somethings are too strong to change. This will continue to happen until people wake up so it is what it is.
Will it matter in the end? Nope because people will still buy both. I think somethings are beyond changing no matter how hard some people want to fight the good fight. I know change can happen, but somethings are too strong to change. This will continue to happen until people wake up so it is what it is.
The fact they ended their post saying "how little there is to the game design" was an immediate red flag there was no arguing in good faith. Why even bother engaging?
I mean, they got rid of third versions with XY. They've been making huge changes for a while.
Even I am finding the pokemon hate tiring and I have been on the "GF hate" train since I was 13. Same old arguments from both sides and no one seems to change their mind.
Anyway, second versions were always scummy, but an acceptable level of scummy imo; the problem with them is that they offered way too little to be actual different experiences but were different enough for kids who did not know better and/or die-hard fans to spend their money off. What has always been extremely shitty was the third version crap, from my experience they have always been complete scams, the way they are lauded on the Internet is shocking, if not depressing. This shit would not fly in any other franchise.
I do think the Expansion Pass/DLC is a good step forward, but I don't trust Gamefreak to deliver the expected amount of quality content for the price they are asking for. Like always.
Anyway, second versions were always scummy, but an acceptable level of scummy imo; the problem with them is that they offered way too little to be actual different experiences but were different enough for kids who did not know better and/or die-hard fans to spend their money off. What has always been extremely shitty was the third version crap, from my experience they have always been complete scams, the way they are lauded on the Internet is shocking, if not depressing. This shit would not fly in any other franchise.
I do think the Expansion Pass/DLC is a good step forward, but I don't trust Gamefreak to deliver the expected amount of quality content for the price they are asking for. Like always.
Yeah, this. I'm actually shocked at how many people were okay with or even defended its removal. It's something I really missed when I played Sword and Shield.
Ok I'm confused. Are the expansion pack areas version exclusive or not? Because I thought sword and shield got access to both new areas.
Outside of Resetera, I have never seen or heard of anyone having both versions. Treating it as core of their business model to have double dippers is a bit crazy.
USUM are more like Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum than sequels like B2W2. Though that time they decided to do two versions for their extra version.
They sell dual packs, they factor in the double dippers as part of their business model.
How is not been a thing, you literally need to trade in order to complete the pokedex
no there is no area exclusive. You just have to buy the expansion pass twice IF you bought both games because the expansion pass is locked to whatever version you bought it for.
That is correct. The Expansion pass gets you access to both The Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra. It's just that there specific expansion pass is being sold individually for each version of the game and not being version agnostic.
There's a whole world out here. Double packs didn't just sell out because no one was buying both versions.
It's all online now, with minimal human interaction. Two versions does nothing now but making completing the pokedex slightly more tedious (it's even worse with SW/SH, removing the GTS)
Also, they wouldn't feel the need to sell double packs if they genuinely intended two versions for social interaction rather than a bunch of extra cash.
Yeah, I stopped playing Sword when I realized that completing the pokedex was just going to be too much work. The people that defended the removal were admittedly people that didn't know what it was or how to use it.
Yea, they started that with Sword/Shield and I do wonder if it is because there are enough crazies at this point and/or it is for families. I guess both.
It's not the most obvious substitute in-game, but you can catch nearly every Pokémon out there through Max Raids, even if they're not "native" to your version. Having both that and GTS is the best solution and what they should have done in the first place, but no one is necessarily SOL as a result and it also makes trade evos way easier to collect.
Has Gamefreak said that the expansions are replacing the third versions or is everybody making that assumption?
I usually just watch version exclusive content/differences on Youtube. I'll never buy both games when it comes to Pokemon. I would prefer if we got single games with added on DLC, but it's whatever, they're never going to change their ways.
I do wish the GTS was available though. I want to get version exclusives without trying to find someone to trade with or deal with trying to bargain with them.
I do wish the GTS was available though. I want to get version exclusives without trying to find someone to trade with or deal with trying to bargain with them.
I was this close on suggesting this when they were first announced, but I genuinely think GF would not fall that low.
Just because it's now easier to trade doesn't mean that the is not human interaction, there are various trading communities and people can trade with friends locally
Also most people who buy the double pack do it and gift the other to someone, it's dumb to call it a cash grab just because people want to buy both even though there's no reason to do it
For parents with two children? As a kid my brother got saphire and I got ruby and we traded...
If a parent bought their kids both the same COD or battlefield games they would have to buy separate DLC.....
I feel like USUM's entire existence is pretty damning for the "it's only two versions for trading guys" crowd
Like c'mon, that's when it became blatantly obvious how GF felt about it, they saw B2W2's sales and realized they could make way more money selling two "GOTY" versions than just one (and it worked!).
Like c'mon, that's when it became blatantly obvious how GF felt about it, they saw B2W2's sales and realized they could make way more money selling two "GOTY" versions than just one (and it worked!).
Because convenience? Choice? People who have more than one Pokemon player to buy for?
Not really a huge gotcha or contradiction there
I would venture to say it's easier to complete your Pokedex then ever before. Just from Surprise Trades I have gotten every other version exclusive I was missing, and plenty of great battle-ready breejects from randoms online going for their 6IV perfect Pokes. Not only that, there are Link Codes for every exclusive "trade" available, making that part easier as well. Not to mention that the Dex is only at 400, which isn't too terribly high. I've seen a lot of casual players on my Twitter feed and whatnot completing their Dex.