TBH I just can't wait for gamepass to achieve sufficient PC game saturation so I can subscribe. A few more crossplay exclusives should do. Maybe when Forza 4 drops.
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Jim Sterling shares his issues with the Xbox One (The Jimquisition)
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Saying Microsoft is behaving more like a AAA 3rd party publisher is really on point. They put too much stock in the appeal of each individual title instead of creating a library that has wide appeal.
The media bias strikes again, eh? God forbid the media is down on a product that has performed poorly for legitimate reasons. All about them clicks. No truth to be found.
Or, they are just honest opinions.
You have already been warned for thread whining. Either engage with the content of the thread or step away, attacking the credibility or motives of the source isn't a constructive path to go down.
he's hit or miss for me. He is almost always entertaining (which is the point, yeah?), but his argument presentation and style is often... lacking.
Or maybe, just maybe, there are flaws with the X1 and articles are wise to point that out. And let's not pretend every article has been a fluff piece for the PS4.
Look at my history - I hold MS to task for effing up royally as much as anyone should. But talk to more casual gamers and you can maybe get a feel for the damage to discourse it has done, and maybe as bad, the sheer mind-numbing amount of misinformation floating around in the public there is. It hurts the hobby as a whole, as bad as having "hooray my team at all costs" be as pervasive as it is.
EDIT: My contention in all of this isnt about the content, it's the framing and how it drives the conversation.
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Plus they lose all the XBL Gold revenue on PC for games with MP.
And he still criticized them without compromises. That speaks highly of him.
As someone that had to buy a 2nd Xbox One because my first Xbox One broke mysteriously. I agree with pretty much all his points.
I basically use it to play old games and that's about it. So glad they keep adding games to the back catalog. I still need to get around to playing Panzar Dragoon Orta.
I basically use it to play old games and that's about it. So glad they keep adding games to the back catalog. I still need to get around to playing Panzar Dragoon Orta.
Huh? On this very forum, Sony crossplay threads usually get infested with "fuck you Sony" posters and the threads stay open. With Switch, "Nintendo gaming way too expensive because barely any price drops", "Switch lineup still bad", etc, threads stay open. Don't act like a victim here. So many people here dish out criticisms but can't take any themselves. You say the thread hasn't been productive, right? Yet there are posters agreeing with Sterling here and writing out big posts with their own criticisms too, but you'd rather pretend those don't exist so you can say the thread is useless. It's pretty normal to describe faults as shitty, so I don't see why "a bit shit" bothers you. It's not like that's all he said anyways.
Pretty much agree with Sterling and don't see how anyone can't. Exclusives wise, PS4 is simply slaughtering Xbox One. For Microsoft, Spencer and Xbox fans, myself included, it's not about Xbox One anymore. Instead, it's all about Xbox 4. Launching in March 2020 with Halo Infinite would be one hell of a head start in trying to gain back all of that momentum that they gained with Xbox 360 but lost five years ago with Xbox One.
What hurts this hobby more than anything is Microsofts often EAesque approach to game publishing. They certainly have the money to be better than that. They don't need to nickel and dime gamers with crappy GaaS stuff. And they have done soo much better in the past. The first XBox was a really cool and unique console software wise.
Yeah, same here. I could still kick myself for getting the 500€ X1 with Kinect on day one.
Funny thing is, back in late 2013/ early 2014 the games lineup of the X1 actually looked pretty good (some may even say better than PS4's):
- Titanfall was touted as the "COD Killer"
- there was a ton of potential in Sunset Overdrive
- Halo and Gears weren't "washed up IP's" yet
Meanwhile Bloodborne, Persona 5, Nioh, Uncharted 4, God of War etc. weren't even announced yet (IIRC).
5 years later..... ooooh boy was I wrong.
Agreed. He was way off on the GamePass Criticism.
Oddly didn't mention BC which I feel is relevant. IMO Gamepass and BC IS the reason to buy a XBone aside from Multiplats if you have an X
I am going to skirt around the majority of the content of the video and echo Jim's complaints on the interface. As someone who just bought an Xbox One S and already have a Switch and PS4, I find the interface incredibly obtuse and unintuitive. The majority of the content, to me, appears to be advertisements or links to purchase more junk. I appreciate the main tab being content that I want and customizable, but it is so cluttered with very little uniformity in design that my eyes kind of glaze over trying to navigate around it.
I wish they would focus purely on bringing the best possible user experience to the system rather than devoting so many resources to ensure users are constantly bombarded with incentive to spend more money.
I wish they would focus purely on bringing the best possible user experience to the system rather than devoting so many resources to ensure users are constantly bombarded with incentive to spend more money.
It's not a bad system, but it also gives me no reason to own one. Especially with the generation winding down.
I may get the Xbox 4 before a PS5, however. We shall see what happens in the coming years
I may get the Xbox 4 before a PS5, however. We shall see what happens in the coming years
Wasn't even 'free' as MS clearly does that sort of thing to get coverage.
Agree with the OS complaints, can't stand it really.
Had a few outstanding games, but still haven't seen this gens 'gears' or 'halo'
The system just started off in a rocky place that it never quite got out of, even with the most powerful hardware. That jaguar just ruined the potential.
Had a few outstanding games, but still haven't seen this gens 'gears' or 'halo'
The system just started off in a rocky place that it never quite got out of, even with the most powerful hardware. That jaguar just ruined the potential.
Finding it hard not to disagree with Jim and it's pretty much the same reasons why I still haven't brought an Xbox One this gen.
Sony and Nintendo are doing the stuff that interests me, quality single player games, while Microsoft just hasn't got a lot of games I want to play and the few games that I do want, I can now play on PC.
Sony and Nintendo are doing the stuff that interests me, quality single player games, while Microsoft just hasn't got a lot of games I want to play and the few games that I do want, I can now play on PC.
If MS are serious about their gaming division, the opposite will happen (i.e. more 3rd-party Play Anywhere games, BC games on PC, and Game Pass with XBL Gold on PC).
Look at the sales. Nobody cared. They should have, but didn't. Nowhere near enough marketing behind it.
Can't disagree with the content of the video, however, no new insights were gained. I believe we knew all of this already. I have a feeling things will be much better when "Xbox 4" arrives.
I often don't understand how people are usually very against the idea of "console wars" and yet this thread seems to be full on validation of the concept, It's not like the Switch or PS4 is without faults or that the things he covered are not already known with MS working on them. The entirely subjective view on the OS is whatever, I personally find it very easy to use with it only getting better with each update, working in the IT service industry people struggle with the most basic of operating system changes but its usually overcome with you know actually using it.
100% agreed.
100% agreed.
Why would you actively wish for a huge chunk of people being left out? What would be the positive?
If anything, they should lean on PC a lot more. Leave Sony to their walled garden they've been getting so much flak for. That's *definitely* not the future of video games.
They get way more than 30% from 1st party games but that is the same for Xbox games... it is indifferent if brought on PC or Xbox.
But look at what these scenarios:
Gamer options per year with Xbox exclusives:
+ 1 exclusive first-party revenue on Xbox
+ 2 multiplatform revenue from Xbox
+ 1 Xbox Live revenue
Gamer options per years without Xbox exclusives:
+ 1 first-party revenue on PC
- 2 multiplatform revenue (typical gamer will buy in Steam)
- 1 Xbox Live revenue (you don't need that in OC)
See how much you lost putting your game on PC? That strategy will only works if Windows Store was not a failure for games to start but the reality is everybody will buy on Steam. Plus the Live revenue lost.
Making your platform desirable with exclusives plays bigger revenue than not. That is why Jim says the Xbox platform lose value and money without exclusives playing it role.
Semantics... if you have less exclusives then you have less games to play in your platform lol no matter if it is one, two or five... it is less.
Ok I got what you mean with open now but that has nothing to do with the subject you replied... neither makes any difference.
I don't think you know what a closed ecosystem is. Xbox One - like every other console - is a closed ecosystem. Even the Windows 10 Store, where Microsoft is selling games as locked down encrypted "apps" is a closed ecosystem.
What Microsoft is doing is expanding their ecosystem to other devices than Xbox One, not opening it up.
See my comment above. Microsoft is building a walled garden on PC, which should *definitely* not be the future of PC gaming.
This topic has a lot of negative emotions.. And that's weird since Xbox One is doing so well and there was such a positive vibe around it for the last couple of weeks. In that way the timing of the video seems a bit odd and maybe even a bit off.
Im sure some people will . never stated everyone who will buy a console will buy a X . You even not what I said was in fact true lol
I agree with Jim personally.
I'm going to sell my X as I hardly use it; yes it is more powerful but it doesn't mean a thing if MS can't bring out top class exclusives. I was going to wait until the MCC 4k update but I'm getting bored of waiting for that before jumping back in.
BC is good, but after dabbling in a bit of Red Dead Redemption playing old games is not what I bought the X for and the games that aren't enhanced don't look great.
I actually regret selling my Switch to get an X.
I'm going to sell my X as I hardly use it; yes it is more powerful but it doesn't mean a thing if MS can't bring out top class exclusives. I was going to wait until the MCC 4k update but I'm getting bored of waiting for that before jumping back in.
BC is good, but after dabbling in a bit of Red Dead Redemption playing old games is not what I bought the X for and the games that aren't enhanced don't look great.
I actually regret selling my Switch to get an X.
Yeah, I also don't get it.
Sold my OG Xbox One and maybe would have picked up a used One S for cheap to play Cuphead and check out GamePass and some other games.
Well, I found out my crappy Intel HD 4000 graphics laptop was able to run Cuphead so I just got it on the Windows store. Haven't bought another Win 10 since.
No idea how that scenario was supposed to play better for MS compared to me getting a One S + XBL + Sea of Thieves/PUBG/Forza etc.
You can basically make the same video from the perspective of someone having a gaming PC and an X1.
X1 and PS4 are largely redundant. I know a lot of people are big fans of Sony's first parties around here, so it's fair that people prefer that console. Yet both consoles share like 90% of their libraries. Don't throw your subjective (artistic) preferences into the mix when you're trying to be objective.
Maybe, just maybe, it isn't a brilliant idea to use an Xbox One X as an exclusive machine when you know they have the worst first party lineup of the three platform holders. The Xbox excels in almost every other aspect. You can play third party titles in their best possible console form, you get great services like Gamepass and you get an enormous amount of backward compatible games.
To me your post feels like you bought something wishing it was something it just isn't. Sell the damn thing.
No need to get emotional over it, it's just somebody's opinion (from the perspective of someone who plays games on all platforms).
The reality is that while the outlook for the future is much brighter as far as the Xbox brand is concerned nothing has really changed since E3 since a lot of the issues people have had with the platform over the course of the generation are deep rooted and can't be altered at the flip of a switch. They are carry overs from a philosophy that is gradually being stomped out.
If you buy a console at this stage of the generation you should buy it for what it offers you today. The Xbox One does enough for some people, but as evidenced by the sales numbers, for the majority it does not.
Although I will say for me personally nothing has been more symbolic than the walking back of the lootbox system and locked cars in Forza 7 with the latest patch. The Forza games are pretty much the only games I play on the platform (and the only reason I own the platform). I took it personally when they fucked with the game in pretty much every way possible at launch with the goal of eventually charging for lootboxes. I'm glad the lootbox shitstorm happened when it did and I'm glad that the game has since changed to become much closer to what it should have been at launch.
Oh, I'm not emotional. Not in the slightest... :P
Many of these complaints are more than valid. But it's such a negative vibe while Microsoft has done such a good job at turning things around. So was just surprised to see a more negative video (+ reactions on era) while the whole vibe around MS' gaming business has really changed for the better these last months.No worries, I'll get over it. ;)
Both consoles share libraries, but the difference is that Microsoft is making their 1st party games aviable also on Windows 10. It really kills the need for a Xbox console
Do calm down, you seem very emotionally rattled by this thread.
I was expecting more for how much the console costs actually. I still use my Pro mainly because I don't think the X is much of an improvement even though on paper the specs are better.
I really enjoyed the original Xbox and the early 360 days (2005 - 2007), and I was hoping to rekindle some MS love with the X but it doesn't impress me at all. The UI is awful, I'm not a fan of things like Gamepass either as I see that being moaned about in the future, just like some do about paying for Gold/PS+. Once it becomes popular all of the big companies will have separate subscriptions and it'll just get ridiculous.
Unfortunately, there are far more issues with FM7 than the lootbox system in my opinion.
That being said, I won't contradict you on that matter.
The only walled garden I've been seeing lately is PSN with how they are screwing around with Crossplay and Fortnight accounts.
I don't even own an Xbox and I'm not emotional at all. I should work out this English thing I guess. It makes me seem like an emotional trainwreck.. :D
To be honest I'd never understand why someone would buy an Xbox One X when they have a pro. But that's me. The X is superior to the pro in many ways (apart from subjective things like UI and the obvious superior game library on PS4). But if you got a pro, meh. If you are planning to use the X as your main console where you play multiplats, use Gamepass and have your Xbox live friends it becomes a fantastic experience.
But for me, and maybe for you, it just doesn't make much sense to own it.
The Microsoft Store (guys, the store has been renamed ages ago) on Windows 10 is a walled garden. It's like having a console experience on your pc. If MS wants to gather more respect in the pc market, they should work on that. Sell your games on other platforms, make more efforts on crossplay with Steam titles, etc.
(And yes, for many people this is also about modding. But I don't really care much about that)
The fuck are you talking about. He has a PC and an Xbox one. That's the point. The word also exists in my post which you quoted. If you have multiple platforms then a lot of the issues become even more prevalent.
I'm just stating my opinion on the video and saying why I agree with it. If you don't like it then that's pretty much your issue.
There are still games unavailable on PC. For that you need a console. I understand that "Xbox exclusives" being available on PC is one less reason to force you into buying a Xbox. Yet I fail to see that as a negative myself. That's basically complaining that MS doesn't bait you into buying their console.
It may be just me getting old but I appreciate the idea that I now have a choice on that matter. I simply don't play games so that other people need to get the same hardware as me to play them. I'll never understand the logic behind that.
We already know that Microsoft has currently problems with exclusive games. We don't need someone who tells us the 100 times and things we already know just for clicks! We Need someone who has good ideas how Microsoft can improve their exclusive output! Jim Sterling is once again useless and a bit shit, he just puts more oil in the fire instead of bringing up good ideas how Microsoft could improve!!! I really could kick myself in the nuts for posting something in a Jim Sterling thread because I don't want to support negative people like Jim Sterling, but I needed to say this :)
I appreciate it too, since i have no money to get more than one console at a time, but what sells a console isn't power, but features and exclusives. Xbox One have an outstading Backwards Compatibility for example, but that's something that only hardcore Xbox fans care about, so putting myself as an example, the need of getting an Xbox to play Forza Horizon 3 (or 4, for that matter) is lost on me. Halo Infinite (it was infinite, was it?) was also coming to W10 if i recall correctly.
Is not a negative per se, but unless Microsoft has another plans regarding the Xbox brand, they surely aren't doing nearly enough to make their console attractive, no matter how much they push W10 aside in their E3 conference or how much the PC crowd gets the short stick with their Gamepass
Erm, sorry if I offended you, wasn't my intent.
That was also my point, someone having all consoles can see it both ways and making arguments about "what's the point of PS4 if it doesn't have back compat, gamepass/EAccess, LFG, etc?"
It's highly subjective is all I'm saying. Not all people value exclusives as the holy grail of gaming.
I don't have much to add, but I do think Sterling could have mentioned Killer Instinct. It may not be his thing, but KI is a really solid fighting game. Admittedly I have the Steam version, but the original release one the Xbone entailed a lot of post release support in the forms of seasons adding modes and characters. I suppose KI eventually coming on steam proves that the Xbone/win10 system isn't the best for devs, but it is worth remembering as one of the better Xbone exclusives.
I do wonder why Sony decided against an exclusive fighting game while having every other genre represented in an exclusive somehow.
I do wonder why Sony decided against an exclusive fighting game while having every other genre represented in an exclusive somehow.
As far as I'm concerned, as an early X1 adopter, I still feel a bitter taste in my mouth.
It's cool that Microsoft has improved things after the fact, but this doesn't really help me at all.
I spent 500€ for a launch day Xbox with a mandatory Kinect I didn't want. Couple of months later they offer non Kinect X1s for 350€.
The early X1 OS was a laggy, horrible mess I had to deal with daily for months/years. It's nice to hear that it's better now, but for me the ship has already sailed.
I also endured one E3 after another where "faux gamer bro" Spencer went on stage and promised the world to me.... well some of these games never came out others dropped when I had already sold my OG X1 (with a huge loss, because MS decided to drop a much, much better iteration that could be had for 199€ + a game here in Germany).
Microsoft also really fucked me up by requiring me to update digital games, otherwise they wouldn't launch. I was travelling a lot for work in 2013-2014 and was on costly LTE connection with harsh bandwidth caps. Unlike the Nintendo Switch, the X1 couldn't connect to Hotel WiFi's that required a web login.
Maybe I'm just a salty piece of shit, but whatever MS is doing now is too little too late.