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Jim Sterling shares his issues with the Xbox One (The Jimquisition)
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Xbx1x plays only games released after 2017 at their best on it .otherwise many games are unpatched and stuck at 900 p which is played better on base PS4 vs xb1x at 1080 p.so let's not draw a false narrative . all the games do not play better on xbx1x as there are 3 to 4 years of games unpatched and worse than even base PS4
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Lol you make it sound like it's mutually exclusive
If you just consider the hardware, then I definitely don't agree, allthough the OS has pretty poor UX.
Add in the games library and the release schedule and the product quickly becomes subpar for a lot of people. Especially for a mature product like this. One might even call it quite....shit.
Add in the games library and the release schedule and the product quickly becomes subpar for a lot of people. Especially for a mature product like this. One might even call it quite....shit.
Of course it's subjective, that guy calling TLOU a movie was a stretch/bait imo.
You'll not get much rational discussion when a system is current. But with time I think most will come round to the view if you own one machine this gen it'll be PS4.
With investments in ecosystems and digital libraries, not to mention time as responsibilities increase, owning a second system is difficult to justify. That's why for me Switch is the only complimentary machine on my radar. The portability, exclusive IP's, and suitability for retro/indie gaming differentiates it enough.
With investments in ecosystems and digital libraries, not to mention time as responsibilities increase, owning a second system is difficult to justify. That's why for me Switch is the only complimentary machine on my radar. The portability, exclusive IP's, and suitability for retro/indie gaming differentiates it enough.
Eh, Sterling doesn't monetize his YouTube videos and I'm pretty sure he doesn't get a share of the ad revenue generated ITT.
Not going to war for Jim and I'm not his biggest fan but these ad hominems, whenever he voices an opinion in his FREE videos on his personal Utube channel are just stupid.
I do play tons of Indie games (Platformers, Metroidvanias, Roguelikes), I like RPGs / JRPGs, Character Action Games (Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising, God of War, Nier: Automata), Souls-likes, Fighting Games (I should try Killer Instinct), "Walking Simulators" (Gone Home, Stanley Parable, Fire Watch), SRPGs (Fire Emblem, Banner Saga), RTS (Halo Wars, Starcraft), Couch Coop/Versus (Overcooked, Mario Kart, Towerfall) and unique experiences like Shadow of the Colossus, Journey, Jazzpunk, Grow Home, etc.
My top 3 games are Ori, Bloodborne and Bayonetta 2.
I played a bit of Forza Horizon 3, but I'm not big intro cars and racing games, so I lost my interest after a few hours. I really loved Halo 3, but 4 and 5 aren't doing anything for me. I've played a good bunch of Gears 4 and really liked it, but I'm done with it. Cuphead is my second favorite game on the One.
You should try Killer Instinct and Halo Wars 2!
But I understand where you're coming from. The Xbox doesn't offer many unique extras in these genres.
I usually agree with Sterling's take on the industry but this video was "just a bit shit", in my opinion.
The video is filled with exaggeration, misinformation and arguing in bad faith.
The video is filled with exaggeration, misinformation and arguing in bad faith.
You compare the main pourpose of a console... play games with features that add value but didn't affect the main pourpose of the console... play games.
New games = essential
BC = Nice to have but very few gamers want to use it because you buy a new console to play new games
GamePass/EA Access = A wonderful ideia that still doesn't pay it... why pay a subscription when you still need to buy most games you want to play? If each publishers has it own sub we will be in a very bad spot as consumer.
LFG = Unless you are Destiny this feature is basically useless with matchmaking.
You buy new consoles to play new games and today if you have a PS4+PC you only needs Switch but if you have a XB1+PC (redundant) you still needs a PS4 and Switch.
PS4+SW+PC = PS4+SW+XB1 after MS changes... you only needs one of these... in most cases you already have a PC so XB1 will be the one left behind.
It doesn't have the most attractive library tbh with a heavy reliance on tried and tested IPs, but I really am tempted to pick up an X just for how good their BC looks.
Hopefully that Ninja Theory acquisition turns into something fruitful. Fuk it even something like DmC2 could get me to pick one up even though I'm firmly a DMC guy. They're secretly one of the most promising devs out there just super unlucky with projects.
Hopefully that Ninja Theory acquisition turns into something fruitful. Fuk it even something like DmC2 could get me to pick one up even though I'm firmly a DMC guy. They're secretly one of the most promising devs out there just super unlucky with projects.
Exactly. Perfect post.
This generation some guys try to put balance between features and games for the same value.
The first and most important feature of a video game is games! Exclusive games and variety. Period.
Jim didn't mention KI, skipped over Horizon, Cuphead and downplayed SOT and State of decay.
Seemed he either ignored or brushed off anything that didnt fit his agenda, how convenient.
Hey if we ignore all the Xbox exclusives we can then say they have none
Yup.
It's like for smartphones, they could have kept Office exclusive to WP/Win Mo.
On one hand I get why they didn't, but that could have been a reason to buy a WP.
So basically obsessives / people who have to play everything. I'm not sure the average punter is like that - pretty sure they have one console, and probably not a gaming PC, which being the case the XBO is still a valid choice.
Your argument is definitely valid - don't get me wrong - it's just its about 5000% more valid on a forum full of
Look we all agree they have an exclusive problem but ive moved pass it. And you should to. I subbed to game pass and have been using my xbone more during the post e3 drout. And its been great. MS are making some great moves setting up next gen.
You can buy cuphead on steam. Horizon I'm unsure of but you can buy Forza 7 on PC.
Nobody wanted to play KI, which is why they gave it to us for free, state of decay 1 was a glorified 360 game and state of decay 2, it's just okay, I bought it day one and have like 3 hours played. I installed it on my XB1 and my PC, guess which version of the game I played and which version of the game I didn't.
Even if for arguments sake he mentioned all those games, they don't even remotely move the needle.
That people want high quality triple-A story driven experiences and the acquisition of ninja theory proves they are listening.
He did not ignore them... that his main point these games he already played on PC.
XB1 didn't add nothing to him.
BTW these games are not exclusives.
The things Microsoft do well are typically genres done better by cross platform AAA publishers.
The things Sony and Nintendo do well no one does better than them.
That's really the difference. If I want GaaS or shooters, I'm better off on PC than Xbox or playing a cross platform game like Fortnite or Battlefield rather than Sea of Thieves or Halo 5.
If I want platformers, noone beats Nintendo. If I want action adventure games with strong narratives, noone today beats Sony.
The things Sony and Nintendo do well no one does better than them.
That's really the difference. If I want GaaS or shooters, I'm better off on PC than Xbox or playing a cross platform game like Fortnite or Battlefield rather than Sea of Thieves or Halo 5.
If I want platformers, noone beats Nintendo. If I want action adventure games with strong narratives, noone today beats Sony.
His story actually seems kinda unbelievable to me. Why would you take it on the chin selling a system only to take it on the chin again selling the next one you bought? Is this something people really do?
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Wondering when Sony is going to get some flak for neglecting a lot of genre's, their first party output in Racing games, Online games, FPS, Strategy games, Platformers, Fighting Games is pretty lacking.
Yea they got 3rd person over the shoulder cinematic adventure games locked up but when you look at their output they are sorely lacking in alot of other genre's and seems to get a pass on it.
You are doing the same thing as Jim, making excuses and brushing off games in the Xbox library because of "reasons" to help push an agenda.
Awfully convenient to brush off and make excuses for any game Xbox related as to why it some how doesn't "count"
It is a valid point on mass market too... consumers buy consoles to play the games they wanted.
The actual sales of each console shows that... unless you are very found of Xbox brand you will choose PS4 because the games you probably wants to play is there.
That the complete opposite scenario of Xbox 360 they even with inferior WW brand power it sold gangbuster due having games that consumers wanted to play not found in any other place.
XB1 is an awesome console for fans but not a console for the market.
It is not excuses... it is reality... neither of the games you listed are exclusives to XB1.
This reads a lot like "all Sony exclusives look the same".
I think this is true. I have a great PC with UW 1440 Gysnc, and vastly prefer being able to do 60+ in major multiplats that usually lean 30 on console. I also realize that for someone who doesn't care as much, a $200-$400 console is a better idea.
PC + PS4 is a crazy good combo imho, but for some people an X1 + Switch might be what the Dr ordered. Or an iPhone and 3DS.
Basically : who cares what anyone else thinks lol. In the end it doesn't matter.
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The gamepass list of games is pretty bad. Most of games from xbox360 really old games and not the best games from xbox360. From this generation you can't count 5 great games and only one game with more than 90 mc score:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-07-02-xbox-game-pass-games-list-price
Sony is giving great games on ps plus. They gave XCOM 2 last month. Which is one of the best games from this gen
What is the point to have a service like gamepass with old games(10 year old ones) and not so great games from this gen?
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-07-02-xbox-game-pass-games-list-price
Sony is giving great games on ps plus. They gave XCOM 2 last month. Which is one of the best games from this gen
What is the point to have a service like gamepass with old games(10 year old ones) and not so great games from this gen?
I think this is a valid criticism.
The One S was basically a do over. And it's funny that many ppl in this thread mention the One X, like the OG and One S don't exist. I do appreciate an earlier post that said they make the mistake of focusing on the One X.
Wouldn't ppl on the weaker XBOs have a lesser experience? Isn't that what most ppl have? Kudos for MS having the most powerful mid gen refresh, but that doesn't mean the other 2 just disappear.
Well, for people who don't care about exclusives I believe price, ease of use and "whatever my friends are on" are the deciding factors.
The X1 was 100€ more expensive than PS4 at launch and was the more complicated piece of hardware (Kinect + DRM rumors).
That alone probably helped Sony to jump out to a sales lead, which settled the "whatever my friends are on" issue for most casual buyers (the FIFA, Madden, CoD crowd).
Uhh KI was a big system seller for XB1...wtf are you talking about?
I think that's a bit of a false equivalence though, as there's also Games with Gold that's pushing some decent titles through. I don't think it'll be too long before the two services are rolled into each other in some way though.
As for the video, it's an inflammatory title to get people talking. I think it's a fair enough point, and the Xbox as a console platform doesn't exactly inspire a great deal of confidence in itself. I've hardly touched mine this year, I played Sea of Thieves on my PC, and my Gold subscription has lapsed with no view to re-upping.
Sony are killing it with exclusives, and although I can see MS coming back strong next generation, there's not a whole ton of things that I'm excited about from the green team in the near future...
Yep, their seems to be a complete warping in the gaming community where their brains always turn to "who sells the most", "if you aint first your last mentality"
It's like console wars and have escalated tot he point people forget anything other than first place and sales.
A platform does NOT have to be first place to be viable for gamers. In fact as we have seen over several generations the platform NOT in first place actually tends to work harder for gamers on their platform.
None of the big 3 are going to pull a Sega anytime soon, MS showed this E3 they are all in and going to produce new hardware.
So it seems so silly people are so "concerned" about sales, first place and list wars when in reality as long as a company can carve out a profitable niche in the industry things will be fine. MS is obviously positing themselves so their entire game division is not dependent on one piece of hardware or one gaming genre. They are setting things up to be diverse enough so their platform owners don't have to worry about monthly hardware sales.
Peoples brains are warped and way to focused on console wars to even think clearly anymore.
And problably Xbox one x is not more than 3% of Xbox one install base.
Backwards compatibility has been very popular on Xbox One though; it's a very nice thing to have that people will use if good support is there, even if the initial purchase of the machine is for new games.
Yea seems like now this thread is just a catch all crap on Xbox thread, pretty lame to even have it open as it is literal console wars. Maybe if the mods could direct all the Xbox trashing in others threads to this one it may do some good but I highly doubt they would do that.
Sorry about that, but I got ad in that video.... Not sure if youtube fuck up or not, but sorry to Jim, if I was being wrong.
What does that even mean? Are you talking about games that they want to run for years, and they should just eat the costs associated?
Lets walk down memory lane, when gaas were pretty much MMOs. Granted the market was substantially smaller, but you had Ultima Online, then EverQuest, and then WoW, with a few smaller MMOs still able to eke out an existence. All of these games had monthly fees AND paid expansions.
You also had an unbelievable number of failed games.
Heres the main point: I think it was discovered there was only so many gamers willing to shell out for monthly subs. And once they were subscribing, another product was unlikely to gain an additional sub from a user - you had to get them to switch to your game. WoW hit and I think they pretty much hit the ceiling on that.
But the monthly fee structure actually kept some of those games running for insane amounts of time (if you told me EQ would still be going in 2019, I dont think I would have ever believed you). EQ apparently has moved to (i think) a F2P MT based model mixed with the monthly premium model. But I digress
A lot of online games that were not quake got made and support dried up in very short amounts of time. That brought about the evolution of "gaas" - online games with years of developer support. How you monetize these is also evolving, but they are usually better games due to monetization.
So I ask you - what are the negatives, to you, of having a gaas (in general)? To me it's some of the methods of monetization - loot boxes, especially coupled with making gameplay onerous without paying money or spending an obscene amount of time.
Even Bungie ended up on the MT train for their gaas - and they added what I assume will be yearly paid content packs that are the full price of the game yet again (MMO model).
So all that said, expand on your point, give examples, reasons why you feel MS gaas, or gaas itself is detrimental.
Really? You pay 10 (or most of the times less) dollars and you get access to 180 games. Including games like:
- Fallout 4
- Rocket League
- The Elder Scrolls Online
- The Division
- Rise of the Tomb Raider
- Sea of Thieves
- Halo 5
- Gears of War 4
- Halo Wars 2
- Cities Skylines
- PES18
- Sunset Overdrive
+ 168 more
How is that pretty bad?
Too much to answer about that kind of post. You're basically projecting your personal preferences as to "common sense" whereas they're just ... your personal preferences.
Let's start by the bullet point list:
1 / I get a ton of new games on X1 alone.
2 / BC is amazing. I don't care that much for OG Xbox and 360 games, but if Sony announces full-on BC for PS1/2 games on PS4 (region unlocked won't happen unfortunately), I'll buy a PS4 ASAP.
3 / Some people see a lot of value in having access to a rather large catalog for a mere ~10$/month. I don't, but some do.
4 / LFG is amazing in a game such as Elite.
Then, onto the most important part:
Not everyone suffers from FOMO and need to play EVERY big hitters that come out or else they can't post on Era as their opinion will be "irrelevant". There are a ton of games I don't/can't play and if that choice is facilitated by not having some platforms, then that's as good as a reason to filter which games you want to play than any other form of personal preference. When you don't have 10h a day to play games, you need to make hard choices anyway.
Also, as someone who has a gaming PC and a 1X (and a Switch, a WiiU and a 3DS, but that's besides the point, I also have a PS1 and PS2 unplugged if you wanna know), I often ponder pros and cons as to playing on either platform. Some games I play on PC (mostly because I can get 60fps whereas Xbox can't), others I play on Xbox (when my PC can't run the game much better than the 1X, why bother, plug'n'play and comfy couch gaming FTW).
Some people seem to be awfully reductive in how they see video games. I just follow my heart and so far so good. Most of the time I'm very happy with my purchases and I don't see why I would be the only one in that situation. Some people just really don't care about the logos on the plastic boxes they use to enjoy gaming and quite simply act according to a set of personal preferences which can largely vary from one person to another. There's no objectivity in that matter.
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Need is a too strong word when you have gaming PC, because with PC one has access to more new games than there are time for and there really isn't need for another platform. That said, consoles have their exclusives and other benefits and with those, I see X1X as the best companion for PC. It is the best place to experience console exclusives, it provides superb multimedia functions (bonus point for console being silent), shared purchases, subscriptions, saves, progress with PC and BC. And those last points makes the platform really feel worth investing into as it seems that there is a future for my purchases and not just a lifespan of a single "generation".
I think the past issues with some certain MS execs not wanting to spend money on games has maybe been cleared up, but I suspect Forza games on their own sell well enough and have enough car packs and expansions to keep their funding levels high - also they get to share game engines and reap the rewards of two studios working on that aspect of it.
MS are expanding their platform so it does not depend on the sales of a single piece of hardware and in turn making games and services available to more people and with play anywhere making it a really pro consumer service.
It's an everyone wins scenario as long as some people can let go of their console war mentality and let go of list wars.
They do tend to think too much like EA, I can agree with him there. Service games that steal your hours for months are not really beneficial for a platform holder, sure the microtransaction/lootbox money is nice but the real money for first parties is in selling games on your console. Third parties have to pick up scraps, aka microtransactions.
New, exclusive, hugely marketable games are what sell hardware to the masses. Sony and Nintendo have been killing it in this regard because they are not chasing the same rabbit that all the third parties are, which brings variety and desirability to their ecosystems. Service titles just keep people from buying new games.
New, exclusive, hugely marketable games are what sell hardware to the masses. Sony and Nintendo have been killing it in this regard because they are not chasing the same rabbit that all the third parties are, which brings variety and desirability to their ecosystems. Service titles just keep people from buying new games.