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Job Shaming, why do you do it?
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People do it because every single thing is a competition now. And alot of people who are winning are bad winners.
I generally don't judge people in low paid employment, hell even people who luck into decent paying gigs in bad industries I'm ok with , everyone's gotta eat.
I do negatively judge those who have put time effort and energy into perpetuating the society we now live in. Your brokers, shitty lawyers, dubious accountants terrible business managers.
Sometimes when I don't feel terribly charitable I also look down at those who rape the environment for hard cash with a tertiary degree.
I also think there a a particular spot in hell set aside for those in fields in which the line between marketing and psychology is blurred.
If you went to school to specifically be a terrible person and line your own pockets I have no respect for you.
I generally don't judge people in low paid employment, hell even people who luck into decent paying gigs in bad industries I'm ok with , everyone's gotta eat.
I do negatively judge those who have put time effort and energy into perpetuating the society we now live in. Your brokers, shitty lawyers, dubious accountants terrible business managers.
Sometimes when I don't feel terribly charitable I also look down at those who rape the environment for hard cash with a tertiary degree.
I also think there a a particular spot in hell set aside for those in fields in which the line between marketing and psychology is blurred.
If you went to school to specifically be a terrible person and line your own pockets I have no respect for you.
A friend of mine in college used to say (half-jokingly) that everyone should have to work as a server at a restaurant for at least six weeks by law. It completely changes the way you treat people who work in service jobs.
Nobody should be ridiculed for doing honest work.
Nobody should be ridiculed for doing honest work.
I had a lot of that shit going on back in college, but spending time with blue-collar workers at my first IT job gave me some major appreciation for what they do. Many of those "lesser" jobs get so much shit, on top of the lack of benefits and decent pay. There's so much media that shows how hard that kinda work is, that I don't get why this is still so prevalent.
I was upset at myself earlier today because I forgot the name of the nice lady at Dunkin'.
I was upset at myself earlier today because I forgot the name of the nice lady at Dunkin'.
I'm implying that sex work needs greater legitimacy, rather than people looking down on it. And somehow you wound up comparing it to being...an executioner? FFS.
JFC. Is this post serious?
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Because I assume 9 out of 10 people do it to some degree. But with such a high percentage the way people shame and why they do it will vary.
I already bet half the people in this thread who decided to comment on everyone but themselves still shame in one form or another.
For example you could have issues with good American cops and thus shame anyone who pursues a career in a fundamentally broken system.
Or how about if you aren't fond of the established religions or religion in general. They possibly could look down on the people who chose that career path.
The job doesn't have to be what is classically understood as menial to look down on it.
People on this forum have frequently shown disdain for CEOs that goes beyond their actions and actually questions the purpose and worth of the job. Most times it is framed with logical arguments about pay structure but there are plenty enough times the reasoning is as nonsensical as the way menial jobs are looked down on.
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Well we agree there. That's why I say I sometimes think of what could be done to make it better than it is.
I'm sure tons of people are jumping on this post already but what the fuck?
I mean, purely from my own experience since moving to Toronto I've met many people who are working jobs that are far below their education/skill level due to circumstances. My last job, a coworker delivered pizzas on the side on top of being a full time network technician to support his family. He certainly wasn't unskilled, stupid or lazy but I'm sure assholes were quick to judge him as such.
Hell, even me - when I lived up north between contracts I did odd jobs, there just wasn't that much work in my field. Before that, to pay for school I worked as a janitor at that college. When I ended up working IT for that college I had pretty much the same skill level I did when I was cleaning it. I just needed to get a piece of paper saying so, first.
The worst part about working a shit job wasn't the back breaking physical labor or the low wages, it was feeling like everyone was looking at me as something less than human. I hear a lot of this judgmental shit around here since the minimum wage went up and it pisses me off to no end.
It's stupid and we should stop it. Besides some of those jobs like this offer the incredibly flexible hours that some people who have main jobs like acting need. He needs a job where he can disappear without notice for 2 months and comeback without crippling the employer. The director of finance can't do that.
I try not to knock the hustle. I work in a large office and I have family working in blue collar factory jobs, the medical field, retail, education, custodial, manual labor, and small business owners. There's nothing shameful about hard work.
Small business owners who talk down to non-entrepreneurs rub me the wrong way though. The ones who let you know they feel superior because they are their own bosses but mostly complain about how hard they have to work and don't get to take time off.
Small business owners who talk down to non-entrepreneurs rub me the wrong way though. The ones who let you know they feel superior because they are their own bosses but mostly complain about how hard they have to work and don't get to take time off.
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Job shaming is dumb, but most of us would do it to someone we didn't like or we thought deserved to have a "shitty" Job.
So? Why is that a reason to disrespect them? They are doing what they can. I knew a lady I worked with who was the cleaning lady at a vet. No, she wasn't smart and probably couldn't get a better job that required more smarts/skills but she was hard working and still could barely cover her bills and don't even talk about healthcare. Does she really deserved your disdain just cause she is doing the best she can with what she has?
I on the other hand have the problem of at this point not skilled enough (I let what I had lapse and it's all old and not wanted now) and I don't interview well (once i get a job they usually love me. I'm quick to catch on and I'm reliable and tend to learn to do the job well). But you know I'm still a person and I do the job I do have as best I can and take pride in it. Yes, I'm just a cashier but I have to put up with the public every day and I do have skills handling different people and reading how they want to be interacted with. Which this job did teach me working it.
From my experience with this community and the last, I got the impression this is some American trait of rooting for those who live the American dream aka making more money every year while despising anyone who does not, as in stepping down the prosperity ladder.
I've seen more than enough people argue that adults shouldn't work "entry level jobs" because... reasons
I've seen more than enough people argue that adults shouldn't work "entry level jobs" because... reasons
Certainly not a very skilled or intelligent posting. You might end up in a dead end job sooner than you imagine.
This post makes me angry. I hope you realize one day how much of a jerk this way of thinking makes you.
Would love to hear from the people that shat on GameStop employees in that Red Dead thread.
Keep that same energy.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/eu...ption-2-demo-put-them-to-sleep-read-op.65971/
Keep that same energy.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/eu...ption-2-demo-put-them-to-sleep-read-op.65971/
Not everyone doing a low-skilled job is an unskilled and unintelligent person and even if they were I'm not sure why you'd hold it against them.
Also remind me when was the last time there was enough upward mobility for every single person that exists on this planet where each and everyone achieves a respectable position by your standards.
There are positions of authority for a reason because there's always someone higher than you, with more people looking to fill positions than there are positions to be filled. There is literally not enough room for everyone to move upward. And if you're going to be denigrating against people who work low-skilled positions, you better recognize that you reap the benefits of these workers' services wherever you go. There are lots of people doing work that you benefit from, whether it's cleaning the streets, the facilities such as restrooms, serving you at a restaurant, and so forth.
In the end lots of us may want a career - some may not - but are unable to have one because of our circumstances, competition and finite number of jobs there are to be filled.
Well, it could just be a step on their career path. I've had this same feeling toward people, but it was when I was young and saw classmates I thought were smart or ambitious in service jobs. Very often, they were at much better jobs within a few years.
There are many jobs to be ashamed about though. Is this not one of many areas in life where judgement can be levied?
You think I value a Congressional lobbyist's life?
You think I value a Congressional lobbyist's life?
I admire the lower ring workers more, since they often have the most down and dirty jobs.
Some of the only ones worth shaming without regret are Fox News and right wing propagandists.
Some of the only ones worth shaming without regret are Fox News and right wing propagandists.
I agree.
This way of thinking causes a lot of people problems. I hated my life while I worked retail, not because of the actual job, but because of people like this that judge your life based on what kind of job you have.
This mentality seems to be shared by whole families. Parents act a certain way, and then in turn their children act the same. It's obnoxious, and people need to realize not everyone wants to be where they are.
I can think of plenty of jobs that are "highly skilled" that are unnecessary. But I don't go off on people in those positions.
That reminds me of the "not making money with a creative hobby"-shaming subcategory.
So, you like to write/make video games/play the guitar/draw/etc., huh? Interesting. How much do you sell your creations for? What, you just do it for FUN? Sicko.
you're supposed to serve my food and drinks, not make me uncomfortable by reminding me of capitalism's dehumanizing effects
no tip for you
Let me guess... I didn't have it easy, I worked hard for it, therefore everyone else can and I have no respect for those who didn't work as hard as I did.
Which, ignores the reality that not everyone had it hard the same way you did. Some might have reasons that prevented tehm from working up. And, for people like the lady I talked about who I worked with, some simply just cannot work hard enough and get the skills needed (why should she be disprespected for that?).
And as some one else said, there are less jobs on top so not everyone is going to get one. Hell, getting a better job isn't just a matter of having the skills, but also learning how to sell yourself. And some luck and sometimes just knowing the right people. Gotta convince them you'll do well. Not everyone is good at that either.
So... just cause you did hard work with some luck doesn't mean you have a reason to look down on other people. Some one has to do those jobs. I'd bet your ass you'd be really8 pissed if everyone working retail/taking your garbage/other unskilled jobs just stopped one day. Hell, it's those jobs that keep going on labor day and people would be very upset if they had stopped for even one day.
I job shame presidents of the United States because the meanest, unambiguously stupidest tweets won't get you so much as a slap on the wrist. Any other job would pretty much have you fired on the spot. Clearly the required qualifications are very low.
if you're apart of the fox news-ilk or are a tabloid vulture, be ashamed, not that those folks have any. otherwise...
... otherwise you're this, and that's not something anyone should wanna be.
... otherwise you're this, and that's not something anyone should wanna be.
How can people do that to you? You are obviously very cute based on your avatar.
Hey cool, I'm tier 3. I would never look down on 4 and 5 though. They fix my car and give me food. They're good people.
Absolute truth. These kind of personal ethics generally go out the window once you decide to not like someone, or their career
I don't job shame.
An honest day's work is an honest day's work, and anyone handwaving that because they have a cushy job is an asshole.
Granted, if you're not doing honest work, then that in itself is fair game to criticize.
An honest day's work is an honest day's work, and anyone handwaving that because they have a cushy job is an asshole.
Granted, if you're not doing honest work, then that in itself is fair game to criticize.
Recently there was a controversy here in Mexico. Guillermo Del Toro started a scholarship for artists that will take them to study to France. One of the artsts that was selected based on his skill had no money for the plane tickets.
A good portion of the country shamed the struggling artist for not having the money, and for attempting to start a Patreon to get the funds in time to leave to France.
"If he is good enough artist to be hand picked by Del Toro himself, then he must have been making good money already" was the tought. Yet, most people would rather pay with "exposure" or not pay at all the artists normally. Because of the controversy Del Toro decided to pay the tickets himself.
There are so many reasons why a skilled or intelligent enough person can't get a good job.
The thought of the Daily Mail's comment section turning on them is amusing but yeah job shaming is a dick move.
Dude's doing honest work. Can't fault him.
Dude's doing honest work. Can't fault him.
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Lol those tiers are completely that posters opinion. If you think people look down on my friend who runs a construction crew because he's in imaginary tier x and btw currently pulls down like 175k then I don't think so...
What political affiliations get dehumanised on these boards?
I have a bachelor's degree and I worked at Target part-time . . . willingly! Just so I could spend more time writing novels. Also, I hate the corporate world. Got an office job out of college and it just pissed me off. Too many politics, too much bullshit, don't like being in charge of so many people, etc.
Now I'm a full-time writer. But I may go back to retail part-time just to get out of the house more. A lot of the people there had money. One lady lived in a mansion, drove nice cars, and still worked cash register for some reason.
You never know. That person baging your groceries could have more money than you. And even if they don't, don't judge them.
Now I'm a full-time writer. But I may go back to retail part-time just to get out of the house more. A lot of the people there had money. One lady lived in a mansion, drove nice cars, and still worked cash register for some reason.
You never know. That person baging your groceries could have more money than you. And even if they don't, don't judge them.
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