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Tracygill

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Vox: https://www.vox.com/2019/6/5/18653660/joe-biden-hyde-amendment-bernie-sanders-2020
Joe Biden says his views on abortion have evolved over time, but this week his campaign said he still supports a ban on government funding for abortion in most cases.

The Biden campaign told NBC News that the candidate supports the Hyde Amendment, the network reported on Wednesday. That's consistent with his votes over the years. He voted several times in the Senate to ban federal funding for abortions, even in cases of rape or incest.
Supporters of the amendment argue that taxpayer funding shouldn't be used to pay for abortions. But opponents argue that the amendment, which bans Medicaid coverage for most abortions, creates a two-tiered system where middle-class and affluent patients can access the procedure and poorer patients cannot.
The campaign told Vox that if recent efforts to restrict abortion access — including near-total bans on abortion in Louisiana, Ohio, Alabama, and elsewhere — succeed, Biden would be open to repealing Hyde.
The Hyde Amendment, first passed in 1976, bans federal funding for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, or a threat to the life of the pregnant patient. The exceptions for rape and incest were added in 1993, when Bill Clinton was president.

As a senator in the 1970s and '80s, Biden supported the federal funding ban and opposed efforts to add the rape and incest exceptions, according to NBC.
The Hyde Amendment, which is popular in polls, was long regarded as untouchable by Democratic candidates. But more recently, thanks in part to grassroots activism arguing that abortion needs to be not just legal but affordable, candidates have begun calling for repeal.

Hillary Clinton did so in 2016 and a number of Democrats, including Pete Buttigieg and Sens. Gillibrand, Harris, Klobuchar, and Warren, have done so this year. Sen. Bernie Sanders criticized Biden's position on Wednesday.
 
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KtotheRoc

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
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I really don't want to have to vote for Biden against Trump in 2020. (I will if I have to, but I really don't want to.)
 

Katten

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wasn't he claiming to be the most progressive candidate like a fucking week ago?
 

SnakeXs

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Oct 28, 2017
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Behold the enlightened center.

Trumps given us a chance to pull the political spectrum to the realistic left, and instead Biden & the Democrat establishment are looking to angle an election as damn near "Trump vs What Used to Be Called a Republican".
 

Lord Fagan

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Oct 27, 2017
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dantevsninjas

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think what we're all coming to realize is that we actually wanted the Onion's version of Joe Biden to run for president.
 

Daphne

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Oct 27, 2017
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He's essentially a moderate Republican really. If that party hadn't shifted so far right and become septic, he could easily be their nominee. I'm not looking forward to another Greater Evil vs Lesser Evil US election.
 

Cation

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Oct 28, 2017
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He knows what he is doing. He is going all in on this centrist position, kinda unsurprisingly.

The centrists will lead us to this stagnation. The last thing we need is to postpone any real change as the right continues to degrade society. Oh Joe - you won't have my vote in the primaries. Hopefully you won't be the democrat candidate.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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But centrism totes isn't conservativism for people too scared to say they're conservatives.

Something something uncle Joe!! Something something civility
 

Tukarrs

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He literally just told the ACLU he was against the Hyde amendment about a month ago.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-flips-supports-hyde-amendment-again/



Look at this spin.
In a statement, his campaign said: "Biden misheard the woman on the ropeline and thought she was referring to the Mexico City rule, which prevents federal aid money from going to organizations overseas that perform abortions. He supports the repeal of the Mexico City rule because it prevents critical aid from going to organizations even if abortion is a very small fraction of the work they are doing. He has not at this point changed his position on the Hyde Amendment."

The woman mentions Hyde Amendment twice pretty clearly, which sounds nothing like "Mexico City rule". So either a hearing problem, or Biden is pandering, or he's not all there.
 

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Supporting a woman's right to choose ought to be a litmus test for most Dem voters. If this really is Joe Biden's position, then it joins the list of things which disqualify him to represent Democrats in 2020.
 

Deleted member 7051

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This sort of shit is precisely why Warren needs to sit in the White House. Never let a man do a woman's job.
 
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Tracygill

Tracygill

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He literally just told the ACLU he was against the Hyde amendment about a month ago.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-flips-supports-hyde-amendment-again/

ACLU
@ACLU

Our volunteer Nina asked Joe Biden whether, as president, he would lift the Hyde amendment, which bans federal insurance coverage of abortion. He said yes.

May 8, 2019

The ACLU tweet mentioned in the article. Did he change his mind again this week or does he just agree with whoever is in the room like Trump does?
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Behold the enlightened center.

Trumps given us a chance to pull the political spectrum to the realistic left, and instead Biden & the Democrat establishment are looking to angle an election as damn near "Trump vs What Used to Be Called a Republican".
The "Democratic Establishment" is not why Biden is currently the frontrunner.

The "Democratic Establishment" (spoiler: in 2016 this meant "Literally Barack Obama") actively pushed Biden out to make way for Hillary because Obama preferred Hillary as his successor.

In 2019 there is no "establishment favorite" here, it's a massively split race where Biden currently has the lead based on a coalition primarily based out of black voters and non-college white Dems, largely due to his association with Obama and high name recognition. This coalition base is not how Obama 08/Hillary 16 won (both were based out of white college grads + black voters), it's closer to Bill Clinton's coalition, and it's going to make the race different in how things play out.
 

Kayla

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Oct 28, 2017
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LIke it or not this guy is probably going to be our nominee. What are you going to do vote for trump? lol
 

Loan Wolf

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Nov 9, 2017
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Hope the debates skyrocket Buttigieg, Warren, Harris, or Beto in the polls. Biden is platforming on the same mistakes Obama did during his presidency.
 

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SERIOUSLY?! Boomer dems? This is your guy? I didn't expect much to begin with, but there's more bottom to this than I expected! Holly fucking shit!
 

Chaos Legion

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Supporting a woman's right to choose ought to be a litmus test for most Dem voters. If this really is Joe Biden's position, then it joins the list of things which disqualify him to represent Democrats in 2020.
Joe Biden supports the woman's right to choose. He was banned from receiving communion in 2008 for his stance of supporting Roe v Wade...
 

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The "Democratic Establishment" is not why Biden is currently the frontrunner.

The "Democratic Establishment" (spoiler: in 2016 this meant "Literally Barack Obama") actively pushed Biden out to make way for Hillary because Obama preferred Hillary as his successor.

In 2019 there is no "establishment favorite" here, it's a massively split race where Biden currently has the lead based on a coalition primarily based out of black voters and non-college white Dems, largely due to his association with Obama and high name recognition. This coalition base is not how Obama 08/Hillary 16 won (both were based out of white college grads + black voters), it's closer to Bill Clinton's coalition, and it's going to make the race different in how things play out.
I wonder how many people saying Biden is the Dem establishment's choice were also mad in 2015/16 for having the Dem establishment crown Hillary instead of having a "real progressive" like Biden

🤔
 

Foffy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit, we're gonna see Trump get reelected.

Everything people whined about Hillary being a centrist and conservative, fuckin' Joe Biden actually is.

Holy fuck.
 

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Joe Biden supports the woman's right to choose. He was banned from receiving communion in 2008 for his stance of supporting Roe v Wade...

If you don't support funding abortions for poor women who can't afford them, then you don't really support a woman's right to choose. The Hyde Amendment is trash and the rest of the serious Democratic field does not support it. It is both sexism and classism.
 

SasaBassa

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Would love to see him lose the primary. But if he wins it, he has to win the general to make any of this shit worth it.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit, we're gonna see Trump get reelected.

Everything people whined about Hillary being a centrist and conservative, fuckin' Joe Biden actually is.

Holy fuck.
The second line is completely accurate.

The first line isn't really backed up by polling right now, for better or for worse.



(QP are very, very, very good pollsters, they're the one polling org that nailed the VA race in 2017.)
 

Alavard

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The second line is completely accurate.

The first line isn't really backed up by polling right now, for better or for worse.



(QP are very, very, very good pollsters, they're the one polling org that nailed the VA race in 2017.)


Do these polls take into account people who won't vote at all if those are their choices?
 

Foffy

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The second line is completely accurate.

The first line isn't really backed up by polling right now, for better or for worse.



(QP are very, very, very good pollsters, they're the one polling org that nailed the VA race in 2017.)


My issue is voter turnout. Do you think Millennials will really line up for the guy who represents the last 30 years of being on the wrong side of a topic, consistently? Trump got the old cultists who line up like it's a ritual, and younger folks tend to have more of a purity test when it comes to that, hence low turnout in general, given their constant lukewarm choices.
 

Kirblar

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Do these polls take into account people who won't vote at all if those are their choices?
Yes. https://poll.qu.edu/texas/release-detail?ReleaseID=2625

3. If the election for president were being held today, and the candidates were Joe Biden the Democrat and Donald Trump the Republican, for whom would you vote?
WHITE......
COLLEGE DEG
Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom Yes No

Biden 48% 8% 94% 55% 42% 54% 40% 28%
Trump 44 90 4 33 50 39 53 67
SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 - - 2 - 1 1 -
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 3 1 1 6 3 2 2 2
DK/NA 4 1 1 4 4 4 4 4

AGE IN YRS.............. WHITE.....
18-34 35-49 50-64 65+ Men Wom Wht Blk Hsp

Biden 59% 47% 46% 45% 28% 38% 33% 86% 59%
Trump 30 44 51 52 65 56 60 7 33
SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 - - - - 1 1 1 1
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 4 3 1 1 3 1 2 3 3
DK/NA 5 5 2 3 4 4 4 4 4

ATTN TO PRES CAMPAIGN Q1
Little/
A lot Some None

Biden 46% 48% 51%
Trump 50 46 35
SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 1
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 1 4 4

DK/NA 2 1 10