Joe Biden supports a ban on government funding for abortion [Update: Now against ban]
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It's good to see more progressive candidates pressure the surefire winner to adopt their stances, though. He's learning from Hillary's mistakes, it seems. I mean, if you want to look at the bright side. Even if Warren doesn't get within 20 points of Biden, all the candidates are part of the DNA of the nominee in some way or another
Truth spitting: Biden doesn't believe what he's now saying. Dude is an old-school politician, and one prone to fucking up.
Right now that would fuck them up worse than it's ever known. Major countries with multi-party systems aren't even doing them right and as a result gives the right a significantly lower threshold to attain significant power against split up lefties. America's got a lot more to catch up on before taking that route properly.
I don't at all wanna picture the house and senate seating map when the American electorate of significant Fox viewers and Trump voters inevitably stay where they are as the challengers are divided and end up jumbling around until landing on the inevitable trap of "strategic voting" - likely for the same old middle ground Dem party, but one that's now lost all of its good members who are now in different parties so Dems are even worse.
Americans at least get to choose who their Dems are, to choose what their "left" is before the general which is then just a straight vote of the two finalists and nothing else. The primaries are the real election, the general is just a mindless formality.
Shocking to think there’s people practically jumping out of their seats to defend this guy as their future presidential candidate. What an out of touch old fuck. Next.
Just like his votes against the LGBT community in the 90’s. Just a straight up , old school politician
Learning from Hillary's mistakes? He's a political opportunist stating what he thinks will win him the Primary. The guy is a right winger, through and through. The only reason he even has a chance is because Obama gave him the VP slot. If not for that, he'd be a forgotten relic. If Biden is the nominee, say hello to four more years of Trump. Black turnout will be at its lowest. Bet on it.
And if he doesn't win guess which groups are gonna get blamed for it.
Can't be true. His previous form was Joe Lieberman. The upgrade path is too limited.
Interesting. I didn't know he had such low approval among black voters. Who is polling best right now with that demo among Dem candidates?
I'm not sure if you're baiting the person you're quoting or are genuinely asking.
In case you're genuinely asking
It's Biden. He's doing better with black voters than with white ones.
He doesn't. He actually is well like among Black Democrats and has recently polled over 40% with that group in the polls.
Older black people support Biden as well as they would any average Dem, but even that is waning. Young black people, whose access to the internet has them far more informed than the prior generation, know about Biden's policies as a Senator and his views on segregation. They don't support him. They are leaning towards Bernie and Warren. They were on the Harris train until her past as a prosecutor was unearthed and she began pandering to black voters. Between Bernie and Warren, young black voters are more likely to choose her over him, since he has recently shown himself to still be tone deaf on race and issues relevant to the black community.
I see. So he's trailing Sanders and Warren with black voters under... 30? 35? 50? I'm interested what they mean by 'young voters.' How did they describe the demo in the poll?
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Orwell's not actually basing any of their statements on actual polling data, they're presenting their narrative of the race as if it's statistics.
edit: Here's YG's weekly survey from weeks in April, May and their most recent one. None of those trends are present, everything's pretty much been in a holding pattern outside of candidate announcements for a very long time. Biden does better with black voters than white ones, better with older voters than younger ones. Go to "Democratic Candidates Considered" for the breakdown.
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Update: I'm not sorry for anything that I have ever done
This is from April, after his inappropriate touching (harassment) issues resurfaced
Yeah, but I worry that a good bit of the voters we need won't
President Warren, Vice President Sanders. Or vice versa.
Please!? It's all I want for Christmas.
Please!? It's all I want for Christmas.
I think, as we move forward, you will see him losing out to Bernie and Warren among the 20-40 crowd. A neoliberal right winger like Biden is a hard pass for young black voters. And of course, much of my opinion is anecdotal, gathering an impression from speaking to black peers. You're beginning to see the corporate media (Washington Post and LA Times just a day ago) push this narrative that black people will look aside Biden's racism because of a singular focus on beating Trump, but I think that is spin being peddled by the establishment and not a trustworthy gauge of the young black pulse in the streets.
None of these parties are truly for black people.
This shit means nothing.
I mean, I wish that Biden was rapidly fading or something, but this narrative is false. It isn't even right to say that Biden is only winning the 45+ crowd when he has a majority of the under 45 crowd as well(A smaller majority, but even if you banned the 45+ crowd from polls Biden would still be winning). Not even to mention his favorables and people's second choice for the nominee indicates that Bernie voters love Biden and that only 15% dislike him compared to Bernie's 18% and Warren's 17%.
2020 Democratic Primary - Morning Consult
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And, another bit about this narrative you're cooking, Harris didn't actually drop that much, she just stopped gaining as she ran into Bernie and Biden's support.
You work with what you have. Joe Biden was damn near a neoconfederate before he noticed the odds against his future run for the White House mounting. Bernie Sanders has rudely waved away questions from black people asking him what he intends to do about reparations. Elizabeth Warren, so far, is the only one of the three front runners who hasn't pandered to black people and doesn't have a history of outright hostility towards black people or being tone deaf on issues germane to the black community. Biden is an unrepentant anti-black racist. Frankly, I think him beating Trump would be far worse than a second Trump term, because his clear antipathy for black people would be masked by the D next to his name and Obama's legacy. At least, with Trump, it's out in the open and able to be confronted.
I don't think there's a single sentence here that you didn't make up from gut feelings.
goddamn i love warren.
doing my best getting people I personally know to take a real good look at her.
that biden name recognition seems strong around here though. (northern maine)
Support for Harris has definitely dropped after several episodes of pandering (claiming she smoked weed on The Breakfast Club, which embarrassed her father; citing black songs she listened to in a rejoinder to people who questioned her black bona fides; posting embarrassing clips of her awkwardly dancing to Cardi B) and her history of targeting black single mothers with truancy laws and opposing prison reform during her tenure as California's District Attorney. A lot of these candidates think black people aren't paying attention and aren't tuned into new sources of media that aren't curated by the establishment.I mean, I wish that Biden was rapidly fading or something, but this narrative is false. It isn't even right to say that Biden is only winning the 45+ crowd when he has a majority of the under 45 crowd as well(A smaller majority, but even if you banned the 45+ crowd from polls Biden would still be winning). Not even to mention his favorables and people's second choice for the nominee indicates that Bernie voters love Biden and that only 15% dislike him compared to Bernie's 18% and Warren's 17%.
2020 Democratic Primary - Morning Consult
And, another bit about this narrative you're cooking, Harris didn't actually drop that much, she just stopped gaining as she ran into Bernie and Biden's support.
"Pragmatists" go whichever way the wind blows. It's about obtaining wealth and power.
Democrats have learned to "evolve" on issues. It glosses over decades of malfeasance and despicable political calculations made on the lives of everyday people.
He is a politician. He will lie to get the votes he needs to become the president. And if he gets into the White House, he will again support the ban.
In other words, don't believe his lies.
No voting block pays attention to even "establishment curated" sources. Harris dropped when Beto came into the race because Beto ate her votes. Harris cut off a couple more points when Biden announced and went from 28% to 38-39%. Beyond that she's been in the 8-11% for the majority of her time running. As the poll Kirblar posted earlier indicates, Harris's biggest support block is still black women and she has double digit more approval with black voters than any other group. Believe it or not the easy explanation for Harris's drop is other people running and increasing their percentage (Since, you know, that has to come from somewhere).
Harris still has relatively low name recognition, too, so don't be too surprised when she gets a ten point bump after a few debates.
Really, the sum total of what Biden will do legislatively is give a rubber stamp to what a dem Congress churns out.
I’m not sure the course correction strategy works in our current climate anymore. Climate change and this should not be an argument. I can’t say about the others but when we elect an president, we are delegating to him or her to make educated choices for us. I am too tired and lazy to campaign for different issues in our daily life.
Maybe, but in a way, I think It works better today than ever before, thanks to Trump. Trump completely changed everything he believed in so he could be pres and people were okay with it because the president is a child emperor nowadays. Signs what they want him to sign, nominates who they tell him to nominate.
I remember people saying Biden couldn't be president because he makes too many gaffes. Thanks to Trump, it no longer matters. Nothing matters.
The fate of the Hyde amendment really doesn't ultimately rest w/ Biden or any other President, it'd rest in the House and Senate being able to round up majority votes to get rid of it. Legislation will get signed either way. Unlike a lot of other things where you've got the ability to significantly alter policy via executive authority, this one you need to get through congress to fix.
The 2016 House is significantly more liberal on social issues than the 2006 House and might not need to make this concession to get there in 2020+.. A hypothetical post-2020 Senate though? That's where the big roadblock might happen because even if we get a wave election and get the Senate our margins will be very tight.
Not that it would ever happen with the current Congress and Senate, but if a bill that paid reparations to American Descendants of Slaves was put on his desk, do you think Biden would rubber stamp it? I don't.
You answered your own question. It wouldn't get to his desk or anyone elses.
In the current Congress, with one wing under control of Mitch McConnell, that's correct. But the rumblings of it being debated and eventual policy (HR 40, first and foremost) making its way through the corridors of the House and Senate can be felt, so I'm not so quick to dismiss the likelihood of us being in a position when such a bill reaches a desk occupied by Joe Biden. If we have a Blue Wave in 2020 and manage to take the Senate, reparations will almost certainly be on the table for debate, at the very least. I think his past comments should be heeded by every African American descendant of slaves who believes that they are owed reparations, and I believe they will be as more information about his past reaches the community.
"See what had happend was"
His advisers on the campaign trail seem to be having to do double duty to walk back his horrible views, and it still doesnt help when he keeps adding on more.
Fuck Joe Biden, and fuck anyone willing to defend this piece of shit. "he's marginally better than trump on certain issues" aint a defense, its an concession to how badly he's could fuck the Dems chances if he's the nominee
His advisers on the campaign trail seem to be having to do double duty to walk back his horrible views, and it still doesnt help when he keeps adding on more.
Fuck Joe Biden, and fuck anyone willing to defend this piece of shit. "he's marginally better than trump on certain issues" aint a defense, its an concession to how badly he's could fuck the Dems chances if he's the nominee