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Joe Biden supports a ban on government funding for abortion [Update: Now against ban]
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Do you see the irony of you telling other people "you can't tell other people what's best"?
Do you see it?
Do you see the inherent contradiction here?
I like how the right in this country skips all those steps and goes straight to restricting personal liberties based on fear mongering.
I don't give a shit dude. I've put up with this shit for over three decades of bending over back for you cowards on a Federal level. I am done. I am not budging an inch.
The center can go fuck itself. I'm from Washington, I've voted hard progressive in every single city, county, and state election we have. We push left here and it works.
If the youth won't turn out to vote because Boomers call them entitled, maybe they are snowflakes.
Which is of course why the Right is winning more than it should - because a super majority of the country can call the Republican base bigoted, racist, sexist assholes and they'll simply flip the bird and vote anyway, while if the Left runs into any resistance at all, they simply sit things out and whine about it.
oh please, this is about his best buddy connection with obama, as well as biden being a very familiar, friendly face to go along with that whole "i would have a beer with him" sort of mentality.
when it comes to policy, he's very likely to the right of where the country is in some key areas (for example, Medicare for all. Majority support it, he argued against it)
The man could completely trash the hyde amendment and his support wouldn't see a dip at all.
it's currently a popularity contest, along with playing it safe against trump.
Good for you and Washington, Trump is still president so good work!
Biden Campaign Says He ‘Misheard’ Question About Hyde Amendment Last Month
a clear majority of the country is pro-abortion
we don't need to convince anyone, what we need is to fix our godawful anti-democratic system of government so the actual will of the people can be implemented
Yeah, because cowards elsewhere don't have the balls to push this country where it needs to go and failed.
So good work to you.
Sure, but that means there's a large chunk of the party who doesn't support that who will be looking for somebody to vote for in the primary and Uncle Joe being loud about this is signaling to them. Ironically, Biden if he wins the nomination, is going to win off the same voters who supported Hillary in 2008 and Bernie in 2016 in places like West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Ya' know, the people who voted for Sanders, then in polling at those primaries, said the Democratic Party needed to be more moderate.
A clear majority of the country may be pro-choice, but wary of making people pay for it.
The places the Left is losing is places where arguably the people there are fighting the hardest day after day. They're just outnumbered lol. I mean if you think the problem in states like Georgia and Louisiana is just the left whines and gives up I don't know what to say.
No, I'm talking about the massive drops in turnout in 2010 and 2014 all around the country, including in purple states because Obama didn't magically fix everything, while the GOP did turn out.
Same problem really, it's bootstraps mentality applied to politics.
"If you want representation make your own media."
"If you want to matter then vote for yourself rather than expecting political handouts."
I live in California and I vote left on everything but i guess I'm a far right winger according to you.
If you're catering to the center to keep the status quo, you're just as bad.
Not sure what saying "you don't believe in democracy" is doing when the only reasons Republicans win some areas is through anti-democratic measures like the person in charge of the election also running for the election or gerrymandering or restricting the right to vote through voter ID laws and making felons not able to vote when the majority of the country does support gun control and LGBT rights etc. Etc.
Nobody is advocating for an enlightened despot here as far as I can tell.
Nobody is advocating for an enlightened despot here as far as I can tell.
No! No! That can't be why our democracy is failing! It HAS to be the sole fault of the progressives!
/s
I'm going to give the moderates some voter suppression in exchange for their vote.
This will surely work out in the long run. Compromise! By giving into their demands and putting them in power to abuse and mistreat the oppressed, we can remove them from power and save the oppressed.
This will surely work out in the long run. Compromise! By giving into their demands and putting them in power to abuse and mistreat the oppressed, we can remove them from power and save the oppressed.
This is exactly the mentality that got Trump elected and it's going to happen again because of stubborn people thinking everyone who disagrees with them is a coward and just as bad a alt right trump supporter. We are fucked.
Nope, we're fucked if we don't take it further left. Stop being part of the problem.
If we transitioned over to a "pure" democracy overnight and abolished the electoral college, the left would win more.
If we used measures that actually accurately represented populations by using proportional systems and ranked choice voting like many European countries, the left would win more.
If we used measures that actually accurately represented populations by using proportional systems and ranked choice voting like many European countries, the left would win more.
Trump didn't win because a Democrat from a blue state told another Democrat from a blue that they're not progressive enough. Relax.
Gillibrand is garbage so I hope not. I mean she's better than Biden but she's on the same level of wishy washy sycophant as Booker.
oh you are fucked, but not because some democrat are mean toward centrist.
Doesn't look like either of them have a legitimate shot at this point, sadly.
We'll have a better idea of where we stand once people start dropping out... Particularly when someone like Warren drops out- Do they all go to Bernie?
Sadly at this point, I see this as a Biden/Bernie race.
I hope with every fiber of my being that Biden doesn't live to be the nominee. Just die already. And no, I'm not advocating violence against him. I just want him to do what a lot of people his age do. Or Obama to save us from this mess and go all MariahIDon'tKnowHer.gif. As unlikely as that is... Please.
How would you abolish the electoral college? Face it progressives unless you start gunning down Republicans in the streets you will never get the electoral college abolished. The right ain't stupid, they know that's how they get to stay in power so they won't just turn over just cause you bitch about it.
We are fucked as a country, Trump has a great shot at getting re-elected. This thread reminds me why.
Warren is actually gaining in polls.
Warren is by far my favorite candidate but she's also the one I'm probably most worried about for the general.
They're ignored because they don't vote... It doesn't work the way you want it to.
I don't know what to tell you, it's how the system works. Politicians aren't going to take the younger generations seriously until they go out and vote.
I hope so. I originally wanted nothing to do with her, but since she seems to be one of the few candidates with actual, well-reasoned policy she's now the candidate I'm most likely to vote for.
But I do see a situation in which neither Warren nor Bernie can pull ahead because they're siphoning votes from each other, which lets a popular moderate like Biden swoop in and win.
I wasn't saying it could be abolished.
I'm just saying people who want the country to move left forcefully won't do it by throwing democracy away.
Questionable.
It was the death of manufacturing in America that flipped those states, probably not funding for abortion.
Okay. How do you propose we do that?
Because right now, a loser moderate (and I say loser because he's done exactly that, multiple times) is leading the field but quite a bit.
Again, I'm not sure the country wants to move as left as this community believes it does.
True. Given that he's been on both sides of this in the last month I doubt he'd veto it if a repeal passed, though.
Then again, he apparently forgot what the Hyde Amendment was when he was on the other side of the issue.
Why?
Honestly, she has only gotten better and I've warmed to her a lot. She seems to be making positive in roads as well and has really broken out of her shell and become more relatable / funny / engaging.
I mean we are sexist AF and I think she'll have a slightly harder time than Biden because of that in the GE, but she's got momentum.
She just needs to not get flustered by Trump.
Why? Because the country is sexist as fuck and it shows up in Warren's favorables(Having the highest unfavorables of the top 10 candidates by far) just as it did in Hillary's favorables and neither were/are charismatic enough to offset that (Harris at least has that going for her). When female candidates make mistakes it costs them twice as much as a male candidate, if not more. I'd certainly prefer President Warren to any of the top 3, though.
Be loud and stop bending over to them, say this is what we want and that they need to come over to us. Stop going to them.
I'm 36. The entire fucking time I've been alive this cowardly country has fucked itself over and continuously given power to the right in the name of compromise and reaching across the aisle. We're tried to get an inch, failed most of the time, and let them take miles.
No more. Our way or bust. I will not compromise or bend anymore.
If you're in the center, you're just part of the fucking problem and continue to let disgusting shit fester because you're okay with everything dying around you because you're comfortable. I will not ever, ever go along with that.
I appreciate the enthusiasm, and largely agree with you.
But the country just isn't there. If Biden is the candidate, it's between him and Trump. No, I don't particularly like Biden that much at all... But he's better than Trump. By a lot.
Maybe I'm wrong and Warren or Sanders surprise us all, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Particularly in the handful of states that will determine the next election.
I'm referring to the all or nothing mentality of the far left. Hostile keyboard warriors yelling "coward" at people who don't agree with 100% of their stance on every issue. It has a rubber band effect the other way, galvanizing the right.
From my experience, abortion rights is by far the highest motivating factor for people donating their time to democratic campaigns. I'm sure Biden can still count on their vote, but I'm not so sure he can count on them to go to their neighbor and drag them to the polls too.
And you think this is why we lost? Supported by what research? Just gut feelings?
The past year of research has made it very clear: Trump won because of racial resentment
Another study produces the same findings we’ve seen over and over again.
www.vox.com
If you wanted to actually pander to Obama-Trump flippers, you would have to throw minorities under the bus, not just cater to abortion types. And of course, if you actually do throw minorities under the bus for "moderate" Republican votes you deserve to be dragged for every bit of it. Do you think caving on abortion can ameliorate the racial animus driving modern politics?
Yes, it's "our fault" that people become Nazis, hate the LGBT community and women, are racist trash, and are okay with giving up all their rights to corporations.
Nah, fuck this shit. If you're not part of the left, you're part of the problem.