Oh they have a solution.
just look at how much he is expected to agree with trump based on the state hes from versus how much he opposes him, manchin is radical progressive in comparison to what he should beHere's his voting record showing when he did, and didn't, vote in line with Trump.
Was there a recent repeal attempt for the ACA? I thought the last repeal was in 2017.Politics is always a game. Imagine an alternate reality where Manchin has a history of making his irrelevant votes blue in order to not look gross to liberals.
West Virginia is a deeply red state, so in this reality, Manchin wouldn't be in the senate. His district would instead be represented by a hard-red republican who votes republican party line 100% of the time when it matters. So, for instance, the ACA repeal would have passed. I'm sure all those Americans who lost their health care thanks to his lack of influence will be completely understanding that political gaming mattered more to him than their lives.
Again, glad the women who will suffer by having a rapist in the Supreme Court to you is apparently "being too principled".
That’s how you know a person is far more privileged and selfish than those they claim to be working on behalf of.
Again, him voting No in this context wouldnt have changed anything emphiric. Nothing.
Basically everything you've said in this thread is just wrong, projecting views onto posters you reply to or just writing bullshit moral arguments that don't actually stand up to the reality of the situations you're describing.
Which is why nuking the filibuster is a no brainer when the opposing party spends seven years trying to repeal a healthcare bill, offer no replacement, and in the face of having a trifecta can't even repeal the same bill. The party is just "own the libs" at this point, they don't have any ideas other than trying to dismantle progress already put forward.It's kind of amazing how Manchin's cynical, empty posturing to Republicans manages to convince West Virginia to vote for him and also convinces liberals that he's their sworn enemy instead of a necessary evil in a shitty system. Like poli sci 101 isn't even required to understand why he takes the actions he does politically.
It isn't a good thing. But it's either we take a shitty dude who votes with Dems in actual tiebreaker scenarios or we have someone who never votes Dem.
Which is why Helio's complaint about "mixed signals" is even more funny, because if anything he's just raising smoke screens for his own racist constituents to ignore his voting record.
I mean, if you also end up being the one to unilaterally save such programs?
Ohhhhh, Legacyzero going full genocide denialist apologist
I'm sorry but you can't say one matters and the other doesn't when both are vital. I should be allowed to complain about his voting for a rapist to the Supreme Court if you all keep bringing up this time when he's on our side.
Omar's vote was dumb, but I recall only one or two posters suggesting an idiotic primary challenge. Omar's seat is also 100% safe as blue, she had no reason to vote "present" other than her own dumb persona rationale. What are you on about?
Yes. You are allowed to complain about it. I do. The thing is he had no actual power in Kavanaugh's appointment.
Your entire argument rests on the assumption you have that his vote was critical in sending Kavanaugh to the SC
So a meaningless vote for Kavanaugh that changed literally nothing is as important as a deciding vote to save Obamacare?
Move to West Virginia.
How many times must it be explained to you for you to understand? Manchin's vote wouldn't have changed anything. And, had he made some utterly pointless symbolic gesture then he'd likely have lost his seat and you'd have a hard R in that seat now.
Of course I can. Manchin’s vote for or against Kavanaugh would not have changed the reality that Kavanaugh was getting on the SC. Manchin voting for the ACA actually did save the ACA.
I think that poster is under the impression that Senate votes are blind and nobody has any idea what anyone else is voting for. (And also that Collins' conference didn't happen)Of course I can. Manchin’s vote for or against Kavanaugh would not have changed the reality that Kavanaugh was getting on the SC. Manchin voting for the ACA actually did save the ACA.
I see a huge difference between votes that have an effect and votes that don’t.