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John “TotalBiscuit” Bain to be inducted into Esports Hall of Fame as first non-player
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I don't think it's justified, but eh whatever. I stand by my words and actions.
Thanks for accusing me of things I very clearly stand against.
(just like people did with TB)
And he was a painter, don't forget that! Can an artistic soul truly be evil?
So the women that were on the receiving end of gamergate bullshit and assiciate TB with that, they were tricked were they?
Heckler invoked him first but don't let that stop you guys from losing your shit.
He really didn't. And he did damn near nothing to fix the damage he caused. Like others have said, he had time to realize the error of his ways, but he never did. How many half-assed apologies did he write before jumping back into the fray? But whatever, dude talked about games real good like.
Yeah. I say there is no place for harassing women, but tons of people say otherwise.
The man loved animals and was pretty nice to kids. I'm so tired of people bringing up this whole "Nazi" thing, he didn't know any better! He really thought it was about ethics in ethnic cleansing.
But they're women. Can they *really* play games? Let alone make *videos*? It's a complex job afterall. /s
This. Really good post. And I say this as someone who liked TB, and will absolutely miss him: he wasn't super smart. When it came to culture and the like, he was ham fisted and often suffered a severe lack of understanding. With that said, I don't think he was an evil human being by any means, although I totally understand why people stopped listening to him when his ignorance got in the way.
TLDR: an imperfect, and downright dumb human being sometimes, but RIP totalbiscuit.
Never said they did and only used it to show how the "have respect from the dead" is a bullshit excuse to try to stop people from talking badly from someone you want to rewrite history about. Which clearly it worked.
Case in point, even a mother from a son killed in a freak accident did this recently: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-biker-france-rape-death-killed-a8587851.html
How does this guy always end up getting compared to Hitler?
In every thread, that's the go to.
People shouldn't receive death threats and other harassment. There are plenty of shitheads on the internet who harass and threaten people, but TB wasn't one of them.
I don't get what this guy is supposed to have contributed to the industry to be singled-out and idolised/honoured in this way by a group of people. But that's up to the esports commmunity I guess.
Oh wah.
We get it, based on your avatar you're a huge fan. But Gamergate was ALWAYS a hate movement, and your boy was a part of it.
It's called reaching, and, if some can make the comparison enough of genecoidal dictator to a guy who talked about video games, people will believe it!!
Bringing up Hitler in relation to topics like this automatically invalidates anything else you have to say. The man is responsible for the deaths of millions. Get some perspective you utter clown.
Godwin's law isn't about "invoking Hitler", it's about directly comparing someone to Hitler. I'm not comparing him to Hitler. In fact, I'm doing the exact opposite.
You can just read the OP or the article itself and get a perspective.
You aren't wrong but pro-TB people aren't going to care whatever we have to say. We must rewrite his history and scrub the pain he directly and indirectly inflicted under the rug. I mean, he made videos about video games! He's one of us! He's the good guy here!
It's sad how not even this joke works considering how much they're hated for making Youtube videos about games.
They didn't tell me anything of value other than he was involved as a non-player in esports.
It's been a while since I lost my shit on this forum. I've since learnt to enjoy the various facets of the human psyche on display here. And make extensive use of the ignore list, of course. Otherwise I would have long lost my sanity.
I always wondered about this. The first time I saw that term pop up was about journalists getting free travel, lodging, or just a console for free from publishers which in turn made them see the game more favourable, which is easy with a nice sponsored hotel room and stuff.
The first time I saw someone use that term was some journalist writing about gamers being trash in response to that. Then the typical witchhunts happened, journalists that had nothing to do with the sponsored things got accused over nothing, some journalists fired back with the whole "gamers are a lost cause" and whatnot, and at some point a lot of mysoginist assholes had an excuse to shit on female gaming journalists under the guise of "ethics in gaming journalism".
That's how I remember it. So yeah, at the very start it was indeed about that. It's just that the alt-right (that wasn't called that back then) hijacked the whole thing rather quickly like they do with a shitton of other things as well.
So #gamergate was always about mysoginist fuckwits, "ethics in gaming journalism" wasn't. I remember those discussions, the problem was that a lot of folks arguing for those ethics didn't realize the whole topic already got hijacked by incels and co.
I don't think I have an issue with the first part of this statement. Gamergate was a fucking disaster.
The second part? As a person who followed TB' work and politics very closely, I don't think so.
That's why no one should bring up characters like Hitler, people will spin the narrative that you are comparing both, even if it's not the intention.
And there is no need anyways, because the narrative that you can't talk about the wrongdoings of the death is false, so much that people that defend that narrative with TB will surely not do the same for others also.
And there is no need anyways, because the narrative that you can't talk about the wrongdoings of the death is false, so much that people that defend that narrative with TB will surely not do the same for others also.
Some of the most close minded, dismissive, and judgmental people I've come across exist on this forum and yet they attempt to disguise themselves as torch bearers for progressiveness. This thread is proof positive that others will take every opportunity to kick a fucking corpse while claiming superior views.
Like TB isn't a role model and I grew to resent a lot of what he did. But, within the context of his contributions to gaming and esports, he deserves the nomination. That's what this thread was meant to highlight and I think it's a kind gesture.
Like TB isn't a role model and I grew to resent a lot of what he did. But, within the context of his contributions to gaming and esports, he deserves the nomination. That's what this thread was meant to highlight and I think it's a kind gesture.
He was a negative force in this industry and the effects are still being felt today whatever else he did. Terrible look for an "esports Hall of Fame" hoping for legitimacy.
His Twitter said differently. Stop trying to whitewash this guy's shitty past. He wasn't a good person, at all.
Beign a huge esports advocate with an audience of millions, casting numerous tournaments and owning a team isn't enough?
The first topic of gamergate and "journalism ethics" was a vindictive ex making up shit about his ex girlfriend - saying she slept with a guy for a review that didn't exist. That's how it started, a guy literally wanting to start harassment and punish a woman. It didn't "transform" it was that from the start.
It literally started with harassing a woman because her ex accused her of sleeping with reviewers for good reviews. It was always a hate movement. It wasn't even hijacked. They just came up with defense after defense to help trick people to their side on 4/8 chan and KiA.
Alright I'm popping in here
This is a thread about John Bain's legacy in the gaming community and people should be able to discuss that legacy freely. This does not mean you can twist members' words around to attack them, nor does it mean you can handwave concerns over hate and harassment, and members are expected to be civil to each other when having this conversation.
This is a thread about John Bain's legacy in the gaming community and people should be able to discuss that legacy freely. This does not mean you can twist members' words around to attack them, nor does it mean you can handwave concerns over hate and harassment, and members are expected to be civil to each other when having this conversation.
So, again, can you link me some of his tweets that endorsed harassment?
Right so they're celebrating his audience share and devoting his time and wealth to administering esports. Ok.
No one brought him up till you tried to side step the bad stuff TB has done with "oh he's not as bad as genocidal manaics". Miss me with that bullshit.
Well that's one way to put it. The other way would be "they're celebrating a man who was one of the biggest esports personalities in history and devoted a big part of his life to endorsing esports all around the world".
There's a reason the day he died this happened:
https://clips.twitch.tv/BombasticVainSardineYouDontSay
Good on ESL, and good on TB for doing everything he did for the esport scene.
I should've expected this thread to be half full of hatred because people just love to shit on things, especially when it's out of context.
I should've expected this thread to be half full of hatred because people just love to shit on things, especially when it's out of context.
No? I know you'll just hand wave them, so what's the point? Let's not pretend like you care about it.
Then ignore the Hitler part, and literally just look at the Chernovich or Alex Jones part. My argument wasn't reliant on the Hitler thing, it just was the logical extreme. I regret mentioning it though, because it's clear some people will came at me in bad faith no matter what.
Hitler keep coming up because everyone is indirectly discussing how you should remember the dead? People say that you should not criticize the dead and that's why Hitler was mentioned as a counter example. I think everyone is grappling about how to discuss the bad actions of a dead person, who seems to be respected by some people here. Is mentioning how his actions hurt other people means disrespecting him and his family? In my opinion, I don't think so
Again you have to click the image for context. The person in question attacked TB's audience.
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