I don't think it's justified, but eh whatever. I stand by my words and actions.Kay. Then you'll have to deal with people justifiably assuming you're an asshole.
Thanks for accusing me of things I very clearly stand against.
Hey, Adolf Hitler also was vegetarian and famously said the level of civilization a nation holds can be determined by looking at how well they treat animals. So I guess Hitler was a dope guy that helped animal rights!
So the women that were on the receiving end of gamergate bullshit and assiciate TB with that, they were tricked were they?Yeah maybe, but I don't and TB didn't either. He supported some good causes and none of the bad ones.
Lolyshit I'm out.
TB wasn't a bigot and now we've invoked Hitler. Don't bother responding, I'm heading back to EctERA for a while.
People should be remembered for what they were, "my dude". Their shitty things should be remembered. The good they've done should be remembered.
This isn't fucking Hitler we're talking about here. Or George W Bush. Or heck, Chernovich or Alex Jones. Some of you people need to get some perspective.
Not HIS group. He didn't create it and he didn't lead it. He barely ever even touched on the same issues GG:ers get pissy about. He wasn't out there fighting against the "SJW:s". Not to say he shouldn't have distanced himself much more clearly, acknowledge his fuck up and apologize for briefly giving the group more exposure. He failed to do that, that is absolutely true.
C'mon we all know everything has an infinite shades of gray just to support the amount of bullshit we need at any given time.
Also TIL that once you die, you are forgiven for everything you did while you were alive. Especially if you are loving husband. So I expect that we rally around this and finally stop hating Adolf Hitler, he's dead now and he was a loving husband for Eva Braun. What a great guy Adolf Hitler was, we should really celebrate him by giving him a Nobel Peace Prize.
If only they made You Tube videos about games, then they'd be worthy respect.
This. Really good post. And I say this as someone who liked TB, and will absolutely miss him: he wasn't super smart. When it came to culture and the like, he was ham fisted and often suffered a severe lack of understanding. With that said, I don't think he was an evil human being by any means, although I totally understand why people stopped listening to him when his ignorance got in the way.I think the TB situation with GG is far too simplified than what people actually give credit for, especially in these threads which instantly turn to shit.
TB, for better or worse, always criticized gaming journalism. He had so for years and years before GG blew up. When GG came around he, unfortunately, legitimized it due to that inherent distrust of the media, ignoring the sexism and false hoods the actual story presented. He didn't do enough to amend for what GG turned into and his roll in giving a hate movement cover.
This is mainly because TB was pretty good at covering games, and really fucking bad at anything related to intersecting issues in gaming culture. His hot takes and lack of understanding on basic concepts made him insufferable for lots of contemporary issues, which was part of the reason I stopped listening to him. He liked to build straw mans and get angry when people called him out. Almost reminds me of Colin Moriarty, someone I also enjoyed for his contrarian views but have ran away from due to his crazy train ride the last few years.
It sucks because TB did do a lot of important things. Guy was one of the key players in the SOPA fiasco, and obviously what he's being remembered for in this situation which is his roll in getting so many people in the west interested in SC2 competitive play.
Yeah because what TB did and what Hitler did are comparable things...
How does this guy always end up getting compared to Hitler?C'mon we all know everything has an infinite shades of gray just to support the amount of bullshit we need at any given time.
Also TIL that once you die, you are forgiven for everything you did while you were alive. Especially if you are loving husband. So I expect that we rally around this and finally stop hating Adolf Hitler, he's dead now and he was a loving husband for Eva Braun. What a great guy Adolf Hitler was, we should really celebrate him by giving him a Nobel Peace Prize.
People shouldn't receive death threats and other harassment. There are plenty of shitheads on the internet who harass and threaten people, but TB wasn't one of them.So the women that were on the receiving end of gamergate bullshit and assiciate TB with that, they were tricked were they?
See above and don't accuse me of something you don't know shit about.
Yea indirectly comparing TB to Hitler. You guys really make a strong point.
Yea indirectly comparing TB to Hitler. You guys really make a strong point.
Godwin's law isn't about "invoking Hitler", it's about directly comparing someone to Hitler. I'm not comparing him to Hitler. In fact, I'm doing the exact opposite.Heckler invoked him first but don't let that stop you guys from losing your shit.
You can just read the OP or the article itself and get a perspective.I don't get what this guy is supposed to have contributed to the industry to be singled-out and idolised/honoured in this way by a group of people. But that's up to the esports commmunity I guess.
Never said they did and only used it to show how the "have respect from the dead" is a bullshit excuse to try to stop people from talking badly from someone you want to rewrite history about. Which clearly it worked.
Case in point, even a mother from a son killed in a freak accident did this recently: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-biker-france-rape-death-killed-a8587851.html
It's sad how not even this joke works considering how much they're hated for making Youtube videos about games.If only they made You Tube videos about games, then they'd be worthy respect.
Shhhh! that dosn't fit their agenda.
You can just read the OP or the article itself and get a perspective.
It's been a while since I lost my shit on this forum. I've since learnt to enjoy the various facets of the human psyche on display here. And make extensive use of the ignore list, of course. Otherwise I would have long lost my sanity.Heckler invoked him first but don't let that stop you guys from losing your shit.
I always wondered about this. The first time I saw that term pop up was about journalists getting free travel, lodging, or just a console for free from publishers which in turn made them see the game more favourable, which is easy with a nice sponsored hotel room and stuff.
I don't think I have an issue with the first part of this statement. Gamergate was a fucking disaster.Gamergate was ALWAYS a hate movement, and your boy was a part of it.
I don't think I have an issue with the first part of this statement. Gamergate was a fucking disaster.
The second part? As a person who followed TB' work and politics very closely, I don't think so.
Beign a huge esports advocate with an audience of millions, casting numerous tournaments and owning a team isn't enough?They didn't tell me anything of value other than he was involved as a non-player in esports.
The first topic of gamergate and "journalism ethics" was a vindictive ex making up shit about his ex girlfriend - saying she slept with a guy for a review that didn't exist. That's how it started, a guy literally wanting to start harassment and punish a woman. It didn't "transform" it was that from the start.I always wondered about this. The first time I saw that term pop up was about journalists getting free travel, lodging, or just a console for free from publishers which in turn made them see the game more favourable, which is easy with a nice sponsored hotel room and stuff.
The first time I saw someone use that term was some journalist writing about gamers being trash in response to that. Then the typical witchhunts happened, journalists that had nothing to do with the sponsored things got accused over nothing, some journalists fired back with the whole "gamers are a lost cause" and whatnot, and at some point a lot of mysoginist assholes had an excuse to shit on female gaming journalists under the guise of "ethics in gaming journalism".
That's how I remember it. So yeah, at the very start it was indeed about that. It's just that the alt-right (that wasn't called that back then) hijacked the whole thing rather quickly like they do with a shitton of other things as well.
So #gamergate was always about mysoginist fuckwits, "ethics in gaming journalism" wasn't. I remember those discussions, the problem was that a lot of folks arguing for those ethics didn't realize the whole topic already got hijacked by incels and co.
I always wondered about this. The first time I saw that term pop up was about journalists getting free travel, lodging, or just a console for free from publishers which in turn made them see the game more favourable, which is easy with a nice sponsored hotel room and stuff.
The first time I saw someone use that term was some journalist writing about gamers being trash in response to that. Then the typical witchhunts happened, journalists that had nothing to do with the sponsored things got accused over nothing, some journalists fired back with the whole "gamers are a lost cause" and whatnot, and at some point a lot of mysoginist assholes had an excuse to shit on female gaming journalists under the guise of "ethics in gaming journalism".
That's how I remember it. So yeah, at the very start it was indeed about that. It's just that the alt-right (that wasn't called that back then) hijacked the whole thing rather quickly like they do with a shitton of other things as well.
So #gamergate was always about mysoginist fuckwits, "ethics in gaming journalism" wasn't. I remember those discussions, the problem was that a lot of folks arguing for those ethics didn't realize the whole topic already got hijacked by incels and co.
So, again, can you link me some of his tweets that endorsed harassment?His Twitter said differently. Stop trying to whitewash this guy's shitty past. He wasn't a good person, at all.
Beign a huge esports advocate with an audience of millions, casting numerous tournaments and owning a team isn't enough?
No one brought him up till you tried to side step the bad stuff TB has done with "oh he's not as bad as genocidal manaics". Miss me with that bullshit.Godwin's law isn't about "invoking Hitler", it's about directly comparing someone to Hitler. I'm not comparing him to Hitler. In fact, I'm doing the exact opposite.
Well that's one way to put it. The other way would be "they're celebrating a man who was one of the biggest esports personalities in history and devoted a big part of his life to endorsing esports all around the world".Right so they're celebrating his audience share and devoting his time and wealth to administering esports. Ok.
So, again, can you link me some of his tweets that endorsed harassment?
So, again, can you link me some of his tweets that endorsed harassment?
Then ignore the Hitler part, and literally just look at the Chernovich or Alex Jones part. My argument wasn't reliant on the Hitler thing, it just was the logical extreme. I regret mentioning it though, because it's clear some people will came at me in bad faith no matter what.No one brought him up till you tried to side step the bad stuff TB has done with "oh he's not as bad as genocidal manaics". Miss me with that bullshit.
You sure about that? This sure reads like a threat to me.People shouldn't receive death threats and other harassment. There are plenty of shitheads on the internet who harass and threaten people, but TB wasn't one of them.
Again you have to click the image for context. The person in question attacked TB's audience.