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John McCain has died at age 81 (READ OP)
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You can stop talking about me..I'm right here and I literally have no clue what a concern troll is.
So you think its fine for any person who was hurt by Obama policies/decisions to do the same the day he dies as well? I'm not being antagonistic when I ask that I do want to know what you think because I think in either case its wrong and something I would expect a hell of a lot of people on the left to be up in arms about when that day eventually comes.
I'm sorry but McCain wasn't drafted, and he specifically requested to be transferred to a combat mission on the Forrestal during the Vietnam War.
The Vietnam War was a horrific crime of imperialist war, and to ask to take an active role in all that is shockingly malicious.
What was done to him as a POW was also a shockingly malicious crime, but the true mark against him is that he did not grow from his experience and see the horror of war, but continued to peddle every war and intervention he could.
I think Eisenhower was the last Republican President I can say I truly respected. Last Senator was Richard Lugar mostly for his work on nuclear disarmament.
Yep, how people see that as an amazing moment is beyond me.
Delusional af.
Dude, I'm talking about McCain. Your whataboutism is irritating. McCain actively worked against civil rights for people. They are absolutely justified in not giving up and making sure people know his true history even when he's dead.
I can't say I really see the point in moderating responses on this. I mean personally I probably wouldn't go in hard on the dude when he just died of brain cancer, and has been a fixture in US politics and media for decades. However, I was never personally affected by his politics like others obviously were, so I can completely understand why some people are fine with crapping on him right out of the gate.
There you go. It's what you said.
Thank you for addressing this, because the thread sorta moved past it but I also felt that Mike was very much missing the bit where he wasn't drafted there.
I'm curious, for all you Official Arbiters of Civil Discussion, when you say we're supposed to wait for the "proper time and place" to criticize the recently deceased, when is that time and where is the place? I want to make sure I have my scheduling in order.
(No one has ever answered this question when asked)
(No one has ever answered this question when asked)
User banned (1 day): trolling.
No come on man this can't be true
No man oh God no
Come on man
Noooo
A Arab Republican that can't be real
Wait we're not talking about Obama we're talking about John McCain. Stop trying to deflect this
Just on the financial stuff...and remember REPUBLICAN not trumpian.
You know what your right I did say that and I was wrong for doing so. That was not my intent and I apologize.
If you're going to make up a persona make it believable.
They literally told them to stfu in the guise of being respectful.
Wew...
The financial stuff directly correlates to the social and international stuff via social programs, tax cuts for the ultra wealthy/wealth disparity, and foreign intervention.
This doesn't make any sense dude? Republicans have been anti-arab since 9/11. They have created arab Boogeyman Come on man
I think every person who was hurt by his - or anyone's - policies/decisions is free to do so every moment of their lives, and their loved ones beyond that, regardless of whether he is alive, dying, recently dead, long dead, reanimated, a hologram, or whatever you want.
The people hurt by someone shouldn't have to shut up just because people that admire them - but never knew them personally in any way - want their time to feel guiltlessly sad.
the funny part is that fiscal conservatism often comes at the cost of punishing people of color and creating an ever-larger poor class.
This is the first I've heard of his response being interpreted differently. I always took it to mean that Obama was a decent human being and that his ethnicity was incidental (ie he was a decent human being first and foremost). Even as an arab american , while I do see how it could have been framed more eloquently, I never saw this as an insult. Twice he told his audience that they wouldn't have anything to fear of Obama were to become president in a forum where he refused the help of a teleprompter
I think you would have to stretch it beyond any real interpretation to get anything beyond what you saw.
A sincere thank you for posting it before I spent the time looking for it myself.
Apologizing is better than what most do. We had a poster in another thread who was a direct victim of the Vietnam war banned for getting heated about his beliefs... there are many perspectives I have not appreciated or considered over the years. It's good to seek to understand each other, even if we make mistakes.
Unfortunate, really.
Those of us who originally come from places affected by fucked up foreign policy or illegitimate wars can't be heated about it huh?
Fucking hell...
Yeah, I can't be diplomatic about how I feel about that. I'm glad that he spoke up and gave his perspective though, it was informative.
Some users were talking about McCain changing some positions for the better, and he should be commended for changing his mind (which I agree with). He didn't always change his mind for the better, as evident in his 2010 campaign.
May 2010:
Previously:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/joh...ersal-complete-danged-fence/story?id=10616090
May 2010:
Previously:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/joh...ersal-complete-danged-fence/story?id=10616090
I'm glad he said it as well. It may have not been elegant, but anyone with an ounce of empathy can understand why people feel the way he did when he wrote those posts.
Or why people have similar thoughts about men like Mccain.
But I guess empathy is in short supply.
Easy to act respectful and call him a hero when you ignore people affected by actions in part by him.
It'll always be bullshit.
Nah, I'm good. My standards feel just fine to me. That vote McCain made was more about his political belief that I disagree with. His vote was based on his ideology that business should be able to exist without intrusion of government obersight and regulations. It was not to chest bump David Duke.
I think it's sad that our politics are so polarized that it's not ok to say anything good or have any respect for anyone in the opposing party.
Maybe because his voting record has been one big fuck you to minorities and women for decades.
Politics and morality are not decoupled. Allowing businesses to discriminate is a hateful action.
And it's a good thing that he was opposed to civil rights because he didn't want the government to enforce civil rights... how, exactly?
EDIT: Like, do realize what you're saying is "he didn't do it because he agreed with the white supremacists, he just thought it should be fine for the white supremacists to discriminate against everyone else without the government stopping them and didn't prioritize that over not agreeing with white supremacists" and that's somehow supposed to be better?
Nowhere in my post did I say it was "better". Even made sure to point out I didn't agree with the vote. What I said was that it wasn't a vote to side with Duke like the article in the post I responded to tried to infer.
Enabling businesses to discrimate based on race was flat out siding with white supremacy.
I am inferring nothing. He enabled racism.
So we are saying John McCain was a racist? Is that where we are at?
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