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  1. Veggen

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    I've never understood why people think it's a particular good sound bite. The implication is that an "Arab" can't be a "decent, family man citizen" in defending Obama.
     
  2. zero_suit

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    I guess because the GOP was far gone even then?
     

  3. I mean the point is for people to wish condelences or pay respects, the mod note even mentioned it. People can wait for another thread down the road to talk about his bad policies. It’s not that hard to ‘not’ say something
     
  4. nomster

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    His replacement will be interesting. I bet Ducey would love to be able to install McSally there and throw Ward out with this year’s election. Maybe McSally would prefer it as well given her current polling. With AZ trending blue it’ll be tough for Trumper to win when they get to the special election in ‘20.
     
  5. Branduil

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    Why do evil people automatically deserve respect just because they died?

    Are we gonna do this shit when Trump dies too?
     
  6. Nicktals

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    If you want to spit on a grave, don't do it at the funeral.

    Plenty of threads to shit on Trump and his policies. When he dies, don't enter the thread, or create a new thread discussing some of his worst policies. Seems easy enough.
     
  7. Branduil

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    And that will allow people to whitewash his legacy. Fucking bullshit.
     
  8. Heromanz

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    Then what's the point of it being a thread if there's nothing to discuss? I mean that's kind of the point of this whole fourm.
     
  9. Genryu

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    We should have two threads. The "Condolences" thread and the "Yeah alright, but REALLY?" thread.
     
  10. Deleted member 15326

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    May he talk some sense into his daughter before crossing over Jordan.


    There’s nothing good to talk about with Trump. When he dies I’m going buck wild b
     
  11. Smellycat

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    I have lost a family member from cancer. It is tough. :(

    I don't understand why people think that was a good answer by McCain. He was basically saying that "no, Obama is not Arab. He is a good person"
     
  12. SeroTyler

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    Considering the warnings, all I'll say is I hope he's able to find peace with his actions, bad and good, in the end.
     
  13. xbhaskarx

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  14. Lord Fagan

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    Are you suggesting that the alternative of saying, "yes, Obama is totally an Arab. He is a bad person" would have been a good answer?

    Because that was the Trump campaign in a nutshell, my dude. McCain lost his election the moment he told her off and probably knew it. He had enough good sense not to embolden racial resentment in the name of electoral gain. The only way to think this was a bad answer is to look at it purely through the prism of campaigning to win at all costs while completely ignoring the greater consequences to the party and country at large by feeding into that kind of destructive narrative over the long-term.
     
  15. NinjaScooter

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    Am I taking crazy pills? The man put Sarah FUCKING Palin on the Republican Presidential ticket and you describe his 2008 campaign as "enough good sense to not embolden racial resentment in the name of electoral gain"? What do you think Palin was brought on for?
     
  16. Nicktals

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    Creating threads shitting on him and discussing his terrible policies and impact will whitewash his legacy?

    How do you figure?

    Me too, just not in the one thread breaking news of his death.
     
  17. Smellycat

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    That is not the alternative answer. At least, not the proper one. He could have and should have said "Obama is not Arab. He is an American Citizen." and moved on. He could have gotten bonus points by saying "there is nothing wrong with being an Arab. There are lots of amazing Arab Americans living here" but that would have ended his campaign and political career even sooner than it did.
     
  18. Branduil

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    Allowing "safe spaces" for reactionaries to laud him after his death is what will whitewash his legacy.

    I mean this isn't hypothetical. The exact same situation already happened on gaming side. After TotalBiscuit died, no one was allowed to criticize him in the thread. This resulted in the fomenting of a reactionary, GG community within resetera, who proceeded to shit up the community in threads like the Jessica Price/ArenaNet one, where a bunch of people said she deserved to get fired because she said something mean about TotalBiscuit. The poison continued to fester on gaming side and finally exploded with the transphobia/Cyberpunk threads resulting in a ton of permanent bans. This is always the legacy of respectability politics bullshit- the empowerment of abusers and the silencing of victims.
     
  19. excelsiorlef

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    Then with all due respect the constant posts about how he is a good man shouldn't be here either
     
  20. Lord Fagan

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    A lot of what I've read from Steve Schmidt, the campaign manager who really made the hard sell to McCain to put her on the ticket in the first place (because McCain wanted Lieberman to run with him, and that was never gonna fly because he was Gore's running mate in 2000) was that they were more concerned about McCain not appealing to women voters and they needed to shake things up because Obama was a runaway sensation that made them seem totally pedestrian in comparison. They put her on board without properly vetting her because they were against the wall and more interested in that oft cited "game change" and while there was short term gain, pretty much his whole team realized very quickly that she was a witless goober whose retail campaign skill primarily involved stoking small town white American resentment, which makes sense given her success out of small town Alaska. She was a sin of expedience more than a calculated instrument of racial warfare.

    This clip is from long after that point in the campaign where they were far past the point of no return and replacing her would have probably brought even more attention to what a shitshow they were running.

    You're not taking crazy pills, you're just a decade out from a radically different point in American political history, before the deserved derangement of Palin and much of what the GOP has currently morphed into was the main attraction in their campaign program. It used to be something that was behind closed doors and admonished by the actual leaders in the party knowing better than to let these animals be up front without shame, a lesson they learned from the Goldwater years.

    A forgotten lesson that they're currently relearning to disastrous effect right now.
     
  21. Jesus. Michelle Bachmann was such a nightmare she made me forget Sarah Palin until now.
     
  22. Sweeney Swift

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    Pretty much agreed with this and also the overall message of this comic

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  23. Nicktals

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    I think a death will coalesce a sub-community regardless of whether you shit up a thread of news of death with "good riddance" x 100.

    If people are lauding Trump, you saying it's good he's dead in that thread will not change their minds. What might have a better chance is a thread detailing the lasting impact of his policies on communities.

    Mostly, it's a rule of the site, and it's not tough to follow and find other avenues to express the exact same sentiment.
     
  24. I don’t make that call, I think it’s a mod rule that has been enforced in the past
     
  25. Hierophant

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    love too deify a man who volunteered to dropped napalm on vietnamese civilians, overall a very swell guy.

    and before i get warned or something, i'm ethnically vietnamese and my family fled because of the vietnam war so i think i have as much of a right as anybody to call john mccain a scumbag for being part of the monstrous destruction of my country
     
  26. Deify. Idolize. Worship. I've seen all of these in this thread, and it confuses the hyperbolic fuck out of me.
     
  27. Deleted member 15326

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    There’s not really any point to posting in a thread about Trump’s death other than celebration unless we find out he has nukes wired to his heartbeat

    If they wanna ban people for it when it comes I suppose I’ll just take my medicine
     
  28. Yeah the hyperbole is a bit much. Most I’ve seen is, he’s better than most republicans and he saved ACA.
     
  29. Branduil

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    I'm sorry to hear about that. It's unfortunate that resetera is more interested in respectability politics towards monstrous US politicians than it is in empowering voices like yours.
     
  30. Hierophant

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    the fact that mods are actively seeking to curb anything too "extreme" (by some nebulous definition of their own) about this is a sign that his stature is elevated, i guarantee you that if someone like Trump died tomorrow, there would be no similar mod post at all, (deserved) vitriol would fly freely
     
  31. TheGhost

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    If you want to twist it that way sure, I took it as he wanted to run a election with our the bullshit hyperbole. He stood up for Obama there and was like nah we ain't doing that bullshit here and that's not the type of campaign I'm running.
     
  32. Nicktals

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    Who is stopping him from making a thread on McCain's impact on him, his family, his life, how he feels, and what shaped them?

    I'd check that thread out.
     
  33. Ah. Ok...well, I can see what you're getting at from this angle. I thought you meant posters were deifying him.

    Although my take, and I could be wrong, is that they don't want some of the more "extreme" posts in a thread about his impending death? I'm sure if there was a separate thread about his life and legacy, good and bad, it would be fine. I could be wrong though.
     
  34. I'm gonna censor myself and just say that it'd be nice to see Meghan McCain removes herself from her father's legacy.
     
  35. rjinaz

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    I feel the same way. But, I can also understand if a Muslim found this offensive at the same time. It's good for a Republican like McCain, but, it's also not enough, he should have l said "first of all, being a Muslim doesn't make you a bad person", and went from there.
     
  36. Jombie

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    I've hardly ever agreed with any of his decisions or politics, but neither does he and has openly admitted to ay least some of his many mistakes. With all his misgivings, I've always had a soft spot for McCain -- especially since he sees the current administration and GOP for the white nationalist, pro Russia cult it is.

     
  37. Hierophant

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    I've often thought of making a thread on how US foreign policy and imperialism as a whole is disgusting, with the Vietnam war as a sort of case study but the main users (If you're any kind of leftist on this website and for some reason you bother to remember usernames, you know who I'm talking about) I would want to see it would never click on the thread or reply to it because it doesn't fit into their preconceived notions of US hegemony being Super Great, the same way they dodge every thread about drone strikes and civilian massacres perpetrated by the US.
     
  38. Helio

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    Someone who wholeheartedly agreed with the war in Iraq which resulted in the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Iraqi civilians is not a good man.

    Some of you guys are just like the politicians, more concerned with decorum rather than what was actually done.

    I would love to see that thread. A lot of Americans on this board don’t have the perspective needed to change this country.
     
  39. Coyote Starrk

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    If you actually read my other post in the thread I already addressed this. I'm not derailing this thread with an argument over politics. Especially when I don't agree with pretty much any of his politics.
     
  40. Helio

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    The deaths of thousands of civilians is not simply politics. McCain had a hand in that and calling him a good man is disregarding his responsibility in those tragedies.
     
  41. Coyote Starrk

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    Like I said. Not discussing this here. If you don't like the man thats fine. I'm not saying you should.
     
  42. ZZMitch

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    He served America faithfully for many decades, rest in peace.
     
  43. Helio

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    If you don’t care about the people he helped get killed, that’s fine, too, I guess.
     
  44. kambaybolongo

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    Odd that he voted with the administration almost 100% of the time then
     
  45. entremet

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    Good man. May his final days be filled with love.
     
  46. Coyote Starrk

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    You don't know shit about what I care about. I am just following the mod's orders to not derail the thread with politics and other shit. I have already said I disagree with pretty much all of his political opinions. Now stop trying to bait me into a derail.
     
  47. CannonballB

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    Oh please. John McCain wasn't a one man army who single-handedly created a war. Can we stop with this nonsense? Did he play a part? Yep. Was it ALL his doing? Nope. Stop with all the fuckin' hyperbole.

    My condolences to his family and the grief they're going to go through (as I said in the last thread). I don't care who you are, grief is the worst thing in the world someone can (and always will) experience. Those of you who are dealing with family members who died in "McCain's War"tm should well know what grief is like.
     
  48. Wonderment

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    Remember the "tact and grace" clause of the mod post at the start of this thread, and stop this back and forth. Thank you.
     
  49. Dream Machine

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    Brutal.

    And I'm sure this joke will be brought up when The View comes back in a few weeks. I watch clips on youtube occasionally to talk with my mom about, and that girl is just too much.
     
  50. Orbital Edge

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    *chef kiss*
     
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