John McCain Will No Longer Be Treated for Brain Cancer, Family Says
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John McCain will stop receiving care for his brain cancer, entering his final days
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It is impossible to discuss John McCain without touching upon the political legacy that he leaves behind. You may do so, but as always when a public figure dies, we ask that you act with tact and grace. If it appears that you were just waiting for this occasion so that you could post vitriol, you will be banned. If you have a harsher take on McCain's political legacy, there will likely be no shortage of opportunities to discuss that in the future.
Thread has been rebooted.
Edit: To be clear you are welcome to criticize his record without saying you're glad he's dying. It shouldn't be too much to ask that we not treat his death the same way the alt right is.
Thread has been rebooted.
Edit: To be clear you are welcome to criticize his record without saying you're glad he's dying. It shouldn't be too much to ask that we not treat his death the same way the alt right is.
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Regardless of his politics, McCain has dedicated much of his life to serving America. As he enters his final days I wish him the best, as I do for his family. I won't forget the one time he stuck up for Obama when someone asked if he wasn't to be trusted because "he's an Arab".
I'm going to try and navigate this tactfully as per the mod post.
So McCain did serve our country, bravely, and I think he had a sense of duty and decency and decorum, which the modern GOP almost-entirely lacks. That is to his credit. The attacks against the man himself, and on his captivity in Vietnam, by the alt-right are a disgrace, and us liberals should aim a little higher.
I don't celebrate his death. I think that his policies as a senator, of constant war-mongering, cost lives. But unlike many "war first" American politicians McCain did serve, he saw combat, and was even captured and tortured. So while as a pacifist I oppose his policies, I recognize that he had far more credibility to argue for military intervention than many other politicians, who did not serve, or even actively avoided serving with deferments. I hope that McCain finds peace in his last days.
So McCain did serve our country, bravely, and I think he had a sense of duty and decency and decorum, which the modern GOP almost-entirely lacks. That is to his credit. The attacks against the man himself, and on his captivity in Vietnam, by the alt-right are a disgrace, and us liberals should aim a little higher.
I don't celebrate his death. I think that his policies as a senator, of constant war-mongering, cost lives. But unlike many "war first" American politicians McCain did serve, he saw combat, and was even captured and tortured. So while as a pacifist I oppose his policies, I recognize that he had far more credibility to argue for military intervention than many other politicians, who did not serve, or even actively avoided serving with deferments. I hope that McCain finds peace in his last days.
I know people have complained why didn't he step down. Reality is he did a bigger service not stepping down as it created a much tougher environment for the Senate to navigate through. If he had stepped down you would have someone like Kelli Ward voting yes on every horrible thing under the sun right now and you can bet the GOP would have been ramming a hell of alot more bill wise through the last 10 months
Thanks for your service, McCain. You were one of the better ones in the GOP. I hope you pass peacefully and with your family near.
Leaving our political disagreements behind, I hope his final days are peaceful and he isn't suffering too much. He has been through a lot.
To gab about the political implications for a minute, this could make the Democrats chances of taking the Senate better but it's actually unclear. From FiveThirtyEight:
To gab about the political implications for a minute, this could make the Democrats chances of taking the Senate better but it's actually unclear. From FiveThirtyEight:
Weird that they didn't know for sure what the outcome might be now that we're past May 30th. If it's totally up to Ducey, then I'm sure that seat is probably going to stay red.
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I will never forget his dramatic "NO" vote. For all the legitimate criticisms about the guy and his politics, that will be his endearing legacy IMO, and it's a good moment to remember.
trump's a different story
on mccain: insane... guy is working into his final days of life.
As I said in the other thread
Thank you for the time served in service of this country, whether it be the military or in Washington.
We may not agree on everything but you have my respect. Prayers to the family.
Thank you for the time served in service of this country, whether it be the military or in Washington.
We may not agree on everything but you have my respect. Prayers to the family.
Though I've lost all but my respect towards the GOP, John McCain was no doubt one of the good Republicans our there. Plus no matter his stance on politics, the man was always genuinely a good person.
Cancer is certainly no joke; one person in my neighborhood, whose daughter is a friend of my younger sister, is also going though cancer. And someone my parents knew had also succumbed to cancer. Hopefully McCain spends peaceful time with with his family and is no longer suffering in his remaining days.
And like any war veteran, I also salute him for the services he provided for the country. Godspeed, McCain! Godspeed!
Cancer is certainly no joke; one person in my neighborhood, whose daughter is a friend of my younger sister, is also going though cancer. And someone my parents knew had also succumbed to cancer. Hopefully McCain spends peaceful time with with his family and is no longer suffering in his remaining days.
And like any war veteran, I also salute him for the services he provided for the country. Godspeed, McCain! Godspeed!
All the mods will be in bed sick that day, the flue gets around, you know.
be at peace John.
While wholeheartedly applaud this, but, not to be a dick, it's hardly been applied evenly in the past. Is this going to be consistent?
OT: Hurts not just losing McCain but another of the more distinguished members in Congress. The Junior class seems pretty lacking. My heart goes out to hi and his family.
A vote against Kavanaugh would sure cement his legacy as a true Maverick.
Also, where will horse race journalists go for BBQ and tire-swinging now?
Also, where will horse race journalists go for BBQ and tire-swinging now?
Hope he goes with minimal suffering. It's hard to simply lump him in with the rest of the GOP... he's clearly corrupted to significant degree, but he's shown many instances of not being pure evil like so many others. The man saved Obamacare...or at least, decided not to help destroy it. Gotta thank him for that.
Say what you will about his political opinions, but he was a good man. His refusal to feed off the fear and hate surrounding Obama during his campaign is something I will never forget. That is a move that in today's landscape feels like a long forgotten dream.
I hope his final days are peaceful and that his family finds the closure they need.
I hope his final days are peaceful and that his family finds the closure they need.
I don't agree with the man most of the time, but it was clear that he loved this country, and I'm thankful that he fought for it.
Rough way to go. He had a life better than most and I hope he passes in peace. I'll wait till later to say what I thought of him as a Senator.
I'm not gonna get into his politics in a thread about him being on his death bed. Just to be clear though I disagreed with him on almost every single issue. I just remember him defending Obama at his own rally and his own supporters booing him for doing so. That's all I meant.
C'mon, now.
Guy wasn't perfect, but he knew where to draw the line. It's a shame he's dying and we could do a lot worse without more people of his character in the GOP.
Then what is the point of these threads then? Because whenever a prominent not-so-good person diesn we get the same old thing which is allot of people get banned ,then the thread locked and then gets restarted, then something like this is posted and after that the new thread usually dies.
For all of his terribleness (unleashing Palin upon us) McCain is one the last decent republicans that actually did try to work across the isle. He did a lot of things I don't agree with, but nonetheless I respect him as a person. Joe Biden had nothing but kind words for him. I certainly have much kinder words and thoughts for him than I do for say, McConnel, Ryan, or Boehner.
I hope he has a peaceful ending and may he Rest In Peace.
I hope he has a peaceful ending and may he Rest In Peace.
That was impressive. All that decency is gone now. Now they would add more fuel to the fire.
There are people who visit forums as a news aggregate. For example, this thread is the first place I saw news of this, even before I saw other people talking about it on twitter. Presumably, these threads are to communicate news about a note worthy figure, not to hold a referendum on his morality.
McCain is pretty much taking the last vestiges of sanity and class with him from the GoP.
Once he's gone, the classic conservative Republicans are extinct and there are nothing but Red Meat Neo-Cons and Alt-Righters remaining.
Once he's gone, the classic conservative Republicans are extinct and there are nothing but Red Meat Neo-Cons and Alt-Righters remaining.
I actually met McCain once briefly. I even flirted with the idea of voting for him a looong time ago had he defeated Bush for the GOP nomination during his first presidential run before he went full-on right wing conservative during his second run against Obama. As much as I might disagree with his political policy and viewpoints now - save for his efforts to get money out of politics - I respect him as a Senator and a person and view him as one of the last "good" Republicans. I think I read somewhere that he wants his eulogy to be given by Obama, which speaks volumes about him as a person and his character. I think the Senate will be a lesser institution without him and I wish only peace and comfort for his family and friends.
He helped open the door for Trump by legitimizing Palin. A nice little "he's not an Arab he's a good man" sound bite not withstanding, it's hard to lose sight of that. He could have done a lot more to denounce the kind of idiocy and ignorance he voluntary gave a platform to in 2008.
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