JoJo's Bizarre Adventure ERA |OT| Stand Up and Pose

Calvarok

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yeah i dunno, it might be literal, but this comes directly after it is given its stats. which i know are bullshit a lot of the time, for sure.

anyways this is still very strong, so maybe that's just what the low end of A-class is supposed to be like? cause one of the first things star platinum ever does is bend prison bars. having only four levels for each stat doesnt allow for a lot of gradation, so its probable we're meant to take that into account.

ah well, its not that important but ive become very interested in the differences between certain translations, often having vastly different implications.
 

Mariip

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yeah i dunno, it might be literal, but this comes directly after it is given its stats. which i know are bullshit a lot of the time, for sure.

anyways this is still very strong, so maybe that's just what the low end of A-class is supposed to be like? cause one of the first things star platinum ever does is bend prison bars.

ah well, its not that important but ive become very interested in the differences between certain translations, often having vastly different implications.
Star platinum is busted. Stone free can mold itself into kevlar-like material so the A is probably related to resistence, but compared to the other non part 3 main Jojo stands it's probably the strongest one of the bunch... I really don't count part 3 in these rankings because all of the main character's stands are only good for punching, therefore they need to be reeeealy strong to not suck, besides Stu Platinum

(i think the rank goes Star Platinum >>Stone free> Crazy D > GE, for punching)
 

Calvarok

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Star platinum is busted. Stone free can mold itself into kevlar-like material so the A is probably related to resistence, but compared to the other non part 3 main Jojo stands it's probably the strongest one of the bunch... I really don't count part 3 in these rankings because all of the main character's stands are only good for punching, therefore they need to be reeeealy strong to not suck, besides Stu Platinum

(i think the rank goes Star Platinum >>Stone free> Crazy D > GE, for punching)
hmm, i always thought based on crazy d's first encounter with star platinum and the rat hunting arc (where they're both able to fire ball bearings and bullets with about as much force as each other) implied they were rivals power wise, though sp is a bit stronger and faster.

anyways, i guess part of what led me to be confused is a bit in the jojo wiki where they say sf's punches are meant to be "about as strong as getting hit by a small meteorite" which im assuming is in reference to the planet waves fight, but I don't know if this is ever said explicitly or is an extrapolation by the wiki editor.

I think you're right that the simplest part 3 stands are absurdly fast and strong relative to most stands with a special ability that's immediately apparent. (eg. diavolo is still cautious of Polnareff even though his king crimson is pretty physically strong)

I also think power definitely reflects "toughness" since "persistence" doesn't really seem to be that analog and refers more to the length of an ability's effect or the mental energy it takes to keep a stand manifested.
 
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Mariip

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hmm, i always thought based on crazy d's first encounter with star platinum and the rat hunting arc (where they're both able to fire ball bearings and bullets with about as much force as each other) implied they were rivals power wise, though sp is a bit stronger and faster.

anyways, i guess part of what led me to be confused is a bit in the jojo wiki where they say sf's punches are meant to be "about as strong as getting hit by a small meteorite" which im assuming is in reference to the planet waves fight, but I don't know if this is ever said explicitly or is an extrapolation by the wiki editor.

I think you're right that the simplest part 3 stands are absurdly fast and strong relative to most stands with a special ability that's immediately apparent. (eg. diavolo is still cautious of Polnareff even though his king crimson is pretty physically strong)

I also think power definitely reflects "toughness" since "persistence" doesn't really seem to be that analog and refers more to the length of an ability's effect or the mental energy it takes to keep a stand manifested.
The issue is that a stand power is classified as “destructive power” so A,B, C don’t really mean much...

Ge is wimpy af but it’ll always punch harder than an aerosmith or sex pistols because it’s a power type

Thing is, stone free has always been classified as pretty strong, whereas crazy D and GE were not so much... Iirc CD is a B and GE is a C
 

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Without Polnareff, do we think the Part 5 gang would have still been able to defeat Diavolo?
i think no. he wouldn't let himself be cornered again in his weaker form (doppio) and he's just too cautious and meticulous at full strength for their power sets to handle.

they would have faced him all at once, and they would have died, because he'd be confident he could keep any of them from escaping without two of their members.
 

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No. They’d be picked off one by one and the dream would die before giorno could finish his signature phrase :/

The only hard counter to KC they had was fugone
though that could definitely work against them with the whole 'unable to react to new stimuli' thing in the erased time. fugo could put his viruses somewhere he really doesn't want them, or even accidentally kill himself.
 

Calvarok

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Brick snake serum
The whole party should carry that along
that is definitely true, there's no reason giorno couldn't do that. but by the same token, wouldnt Diavolo then be able to pick off one of the group and make a serum from their blood?

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more on topic of the arrow, the more i think of it the more i love it as a plot device. jotaro and dio are larger than life characters, so it makes sense that their ultimate power is just hidden potential. but giorno and bruno are more realistically rendered people, who live in a darker world. diavolo represents those who profit from and enable the structures of society that harmed both of them, and he is literally out of their reach. they have to chase after the ability to change their fate, rather than it being inside them the whole time.

it also works really well with how giorno kind of represents a redeemed version of dio, and bruno a corrupted (but still noble) version of jonathan. part 5 really belongs to both of them, the story of their bond as brothers, mirroring the bittersweet semblance of respect dio and jonathan shared, but actually shining brighter because of it being forged in a darker place.
 
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that is definitely true, there's no reason giorno couldn't do that. but by the same token, wouldnt Diavolo then be able to pick off one of the group and make a serum from their blood?
Diavolo wouldn’t have access to Gold Experience, which would make that a lot more difficult. He’d have to have Batman level prep time to pull something like that off without access to a Stand user who could do it for him.
 

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Diavolo wouldn’t have access to Gold Experience, which would make that a lot more difficult. He’d have to have Batman level prep time to pull something like that off without access to a Stand user who could do it for him.
or he could just have his vast organization manufacture a serum through traditional means. given the implications of his level of access it might just take a day.
 

Mariip

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or he could just have his vast organization manufacture a serum through traditional means. given the implications of his level of access it might just take a day.
The virus dies very quickly on sunlight, only way he could steal the serum would be by being at a 2meter range of giorno making the serum... if time works for diavolo during KC that’s pretty impossible oo

Vaccines and serums take time to make, GE’s only worked because the snake was born immune and you can only achieve that theough GE
 

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So I’m two episodes away from finishing DIU with my gf and I know she’s gonna ask me why Bites the Dust has to work manually in that last scene. All I’ve got for her is “because yes.”
 

Calvarok

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The virus dies very quickly on sunlight, only way he could steal the serum would be by being at a 2meter range of giorno making the serum... if time works for diavolo during KC that’s pretty impossible oo

Vaccines and serums take time to make, GE’s only worked because the snake was born immune and you can only achieve that theough GE
no, what i was saying is create the serum from the blood of a team bruno member who already immunized themselves.
 

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So I’m two episodes away from finishing DIU with my gf and I know she’s gonna ask me why Bites the Dust has to work manually in that last scene. All I’ve got for her is “because yes.”
i think the implication is that activating it is always manual. the instance of activation has been shown to be unique, with kira retaining memory of it unlike in other subsequent loops where he needs to figure it out based on context clues.

also he makes reference to the fact that he needs to be in great desperation to activate it at all, which is why he can't just pull the trigger right away.

if you're talking about why specifically it has to be with his thumb, versus it appearing to happen involuntarily and without any specific physical action the first time, the point is he's juicing the system by using that hand motion he already associates with his stand, as well as playing chicken with how close he'll let people get to him. activating it requires him to feel like he's in actual danger, because it's obviously extremely powerful and should therefore have drawbacks or conditions on it. the thumb clicking motion is an action that makes him feel secure and confident and ties into the idea of this being a "bomb" that blows back time, so his finger being broken keeps him from completing the concept in his head and thus prevents the ability from activating.

because if you think about it, if he knows he has this ability, he's not feeling the same level of true fear and desperation he was when it first activated. if he'd survived, activating bites the dust would have become harder and harder every time.

(also very often jojo characters are said to have done something that they're not literally depicted doing in order to mislead the audience or just because it doesn't matter that much. its not unprecedented to say he did involuntarily do the detonation click the first time, off panel)
 
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also very often jojo characters are said to have done something that they're not literally depicted doing in order to mislead the audience or just because it doesn't matter that much. its not unprecedented to say he did involuntarily do the detonation click the first time, off panel)
I didn’t consider this. I guess it’s possible he sees the situation that activates it happen through Killer Queen and then pulls the trigger.
 

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continuing my slow re-read of stone ocean, finished the return of jotaro and Kiss vs Highway to Hell.

I got to say, the more i re-examine these bookending jotaro segments, the more i appreciate the way he's used here. his insanely powerful ability is used to give him the burden of choice: to see the entire situation and decide what he cares most about attacking/protecting. I'd remarked earlier that i appreciated the symmetry of how pucci beats him both times by exploiting this burden of choice, but this time i caught the literal symmetry in the dialogue: "you were a step behind" vs "two steps. you were two steps behind". (paraphrased) Connected to this is i feel like a really good justification for why Jotaro never seems quite as busted as Dio: he uses his power selflessly. Time Stopping is a selfish concept, but Jotaro always uses it thinking of others.

I adore things like us being led to think jotaro cares more about the pendant than jolyne, presumably because of the arrow shard, but then we learn he cared so much about it because it was the only way she would be able to escape. this entire arc is such a great deconstruction of who jotaro really is, and how heavily his responsibilities weight on him. and of course, Jolyne rising to the challenge of taking his place and all that same weight. "the killer ran inside, not outside" moment is great, as is the jongalli beatdown. Also, people are gonna lose their shit over the dream sequence stuff. peak jojo.

The Kiss and Highway to Hell fight will benefit a lot from animation, Kiss's ability is often difficult to understand without motion. I noticed so many things about what was actually happening in the fight that were unclear on my first go around, like her creating a second nose to breathe when drowning and the fact that mcqueen's heads recombining also ejected his stand ability, letting him safely die.

The very beginning of the arc dealing with Hermes discovering her power is kinda confusing, seemingly jumping to different points in time without clear transitions. it might be partially the translation, but it def needs some reordering and editing. all that said, it's a great fight and a great takedown of a very specific kind of shitty person that exists in versions both less and exactly as extreme.

I cant imagine how bizzare the "give you my panties" moment is going to feel in the show given how tough hermes always seems. speaking of, she needs a really good VA, she's so important for setting the tone.

EDIT: also...


i mean... ok... I'll stop thinking about it lol
 
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Mariip

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WHat the fuck was this chapter
Araki is killing me

Also:
JoJolion |OT| moms are tough
 
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RochHoch

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I have so many questions
What the hell even is the Head Doctor? Is he real? What does he have to do with Tsurugi? What's with Tooru? Is it his Stand that's attacking Gappy?

We know that Tsurugi is going to pull through for sure, but at what cost? I guess this is where Norisuke sacrifices himself/sacrificed and ends up in that body bag?

Shit is crazy.
Feels like we're teetering awfully close to the endgame for sure, I really can't wait to see where this goes.
 

RecRoulette

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What the fuck is going on

We've seen the end of the harvest countdown (I think?) and so much shit in this chapter doesn't add up. What an insane chapter

I know Tsurugi isn't gone for good but goddamn that would've been a badass speech to go out on
 
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Mariip

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I still can’t believe
how much stuff Mitsuba’s been doing this saga... it’s like “you thought Caato would be the main mom but it was I, Mitsuba”

I REALLY adore her stand.