Joker from Persona 5 announced for Smash Bros. Ultimate (DLC Pack 1)

MisterHero · Dec 8, 2018

Setzer Gabbiani said:
I don't get why people think Doomguy or MK characters are viable. No playable character has ever come from a western dev, and that likely won't change. Shovel Knight and Shantae are western developed games that closely mimic the Japanese style, so those are exceptions, and even then they are assist trophies and spirits.

Banjo is the one exception to the rule that might happen simply because of Rare's relationship with Nintendo up until the GameCube era.

That's exactly why it needs to happen. Smash needs Western representation or it's going to be stuck as one of those eccentric Japanese games. It'll sell like crazy but it will be a poor representation of Nintendo's global appeal.

That said I don't think Doomguy will happen, but a Mortal Kombat character would be great. Blood and gore aside, Smash and MK have a lot in common. Like massive singleplayer content.

Dark Cloud · Dec 8, 2018

Setzer Gabbiani said:
I don't get why people think Doomguy or MK characters are viable. No playable character has ever come from a western dev, and that likely won't change. Shovel Knight and Shantae are western developed games that closely mimic the Japanese style, so those are exceptions, and even then they are assist trophies and spirits.

Banjo is the one exception to the rule that might happen simply because of Rare's relationship with Nintendo up until the GameCube era.

Doomguy has a great chance. Bethesda has already spoken with Nintendo about Smash.

Setzer Gabbiani · Dec 8, 2018

Regulus Tera said:
Diddy Kong, K. Rool, and Dark Samus were all made by Western developers.

All characters owned by Nintendo.

Dark Cloud · Dec 8, 2018

MisterHero said:
That's exactly why it needs to happen. Smash needs Western representation or it's going to be stuck as one of those eccentric Japanese games. It'll sell like crazy but it will be a poor representation of Nintendo's global appeal.

That said I don't think Doomguy will happen, but a Mortal Kombat character would be great. Blood and gore aside, Smash and MK have a lot in common. Like massive singleplayer content.

Single player content is kind of meaningless (as if that gives MK a better chance to be in Smash). Doomguy should be in over anyone from Mortal Kombat.

Regulus Tera · Dec 8, 2018

Setzer Gabbiani said:
All characters owned by Nintendo.

You said developed by, not owned by.

This is the thing I hate about Smash character discussions. People make up rules for their inclusion, but when someone points out those rules already don't make sense when considering the current roster, people move their goalposts to fit their made-up rules against.

Ragnar Blackmane · Dec 8, 2018

I NEVER SAW THAT COMINGGGGGGGGGGG

EddyLovesTunaRolls · Dec 8, 2018

It's a crime that a Mortal Kombat character hasn't joined the fight yet. They've been on Nintendo consoles since the SNES. Hell the Mythologies of Sub Zero were recorded on the N64. The Deadly Alliance shocked the world on the Gamecube. Armageddon was unleashed on the Wii! Yeah I know, it's an INJUSTICE that Mortal Kombat wasn't on the Wii U but, Mortal Kombat 11 is going to right that wrong next year.

MisterHero · Dec 8, 2018

Dark Cloud said:
Single player content is kind of meaningless (as if that gives MK a better chance to be in Smash). Doomguy should be in over anyone from Mortal Kombat.

Midway was also a big partner during the N64 days. N64 is my favorite system probably because of "more western" it is. It had both Doom and MK.

I don't see why both can't get in. There can be more DLC after the first 5. Lol

Xaszatm · Dec 8, 2018

Isn't Mortal Kombat banned in Japan?

Dark Cloud · Dec 8, 2018

MisterHero said:
Midway was also a big partner during the N64 days. N64 is my favorite system probably because of "more western" it is. It had both Doom and MK.

I don't see why both can't get in. There can be more DLC after the first 5. Lol

No. I won't allow it! 🙂

Setzer Gabbiani · Dec 8, 2018

Regulus Tera said:
You said developed by, not owned by.

This is the thing I hate about Smash character discussions. People make up rules for their inclusion, but when someone points out those rules already don't make sense when considering the current roster, people move their goalposts to fit their made-up rules agains.

It was implicit in what I said. No goalpost was moved. Nintendo owns those characters/IP, so by default they're fair game. Doesn't matter who developed the games they were in. Rare, Monster Games, etc.

Regulus Tera · Dec 8, 2018

Setzer Gabbiani said:
It was implicit in what I said. No goalpost was moved. Nintendo owns those characters/IP, so by default they're fair game. Doesn't matter who developed the games they were in. Rare, Monster Games, etc.

"There will never be a 3rd party character in Smash!"
Snake gets in
"There will never be a character whose main game hasn't been on Nintendo consoles"
Cloud gets in.
"There will never be a raunchy violent character who is very forward about her sexuality!"
Bayonetta gets in.

I've seen this happen many, many times. Unless Sakurai comes out and says it, this "Western characters won't make it to Smash" is a dumb rule.

HeroR · Dec 8, 2018

MisterHero said:
That's exactly why it needs to happen. Smash needs Western representation or it's going to be stuck as one of those eccentric Japanese games. It'll sell like crazy but it will be a poor representation of Nintendo's global appeal.

That said I don't think Doomguy will happen, but a Mortal Kombat character would be great. Blood and gore aside, Smash and MK have a lot in common. Like massive singleplayer content.

That's exactly what Smash is.

KtotheRoc · Dec 8, 2018

Maybe an Assassin's Creed character? Given MK's... lack of prominence in Japan I would be very surprised if they got a character.

Strat · Dec 8, 2018

We're getting Jibanyan.

Setzer Gabbiani · Dec 8, 2018

Strat said:
We're getting Jibanyan.

Yes. YoKai Watch will have a rep of some kind. Those 3DS sales dictate it.

Sadist · Dec 8, 2018

Wamb0wneD said:
I'd rather like Amaterasu tbh.
Great OST, great stage, insanely huge moveset potential.

Oh sure, pretty neat.

Resident Evil though... Leon with suplexes, flashbangs, kicks, his knife, would be neat. Depending on his iteration, his Final Smash would either be Ada assisting (RE2) or Mike the pilot swooping in his chopper (RE 4)

As for stages, the RPD station with Lickers and Mr. X as guess appearences. Or the village from RE 4 with Ganados randomly attacking and El Gigante showing his ugly mug.

Neiteio · Dec 8, 2018

Sadist said:
Oh sure, pretty neat.

Resident Evil though... Leon with suplexes, flashbangs, kicks, his knife, would be neat. Depending on his iteration, his Final Smash would either be Ada assisting (RE2) or Mike the pilot swooping in his chopper (RE 4)

As for stages, the RPD station with Lickers and Mr. X as guess appearences. Or the village from RE 4 with Ganados randomly attacking and El Gigante showing his ugly mug.

Leon should come with a bonus Jill Valentine echo.

Their moveset could revolve around the RE1 grenade launcher this way (similar to how Simon borrows stuff from Richter's game), and you could have an inventory management mechanic where you manage different round types (flame, nitrogen, acid).

Their Up B recovery could make a murder of crow appear, which carry you back to the stage and peck at your enemies.

You could have moves where you sidestep a lunging monster like a Hunter or a Licker that then hits your opponent instead.

Using the stun baton from RE5 would be great for Smash Attacks, but of course there's no shortage of melee moves to use.

Setzer Gabbiani · Dec 8, 2018

Resident Evil makes sense as a rep. Jill from Revelations or RE 4 Leon.

BBboy20 · Dec 8, 2018

NotLiquid said:
I predicted this shit

multiple times

I'm taking this catharsis to the bank, SmashEra. You hear me Heartskips ?!

I'm your new prophet

I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS

You are good at this.

Deleted member 14377 · Dec 8, 2018

Regulus Tera said:
Does Doomguy have a canon name?

Dominique McGuyerson

Sadist · Dec 8, 2018

Neiteio said:
Leon should come with a bonus Jill Valentine echo.

Their moveset could revolve around the RE1 grenade launcher this way (similar to how Simon borrows stuff from Richter's game), and you could have an inventory management mechanic where you manage different round types (flame, nitrogen, acid).

Their Up B recovery could make a murder of crow appear, which carry you back to the stage and peck at your enemies.

You could have moves where you sidestep a lunging monster like a Hunter or a Licker that then hits your opponent instead.

Using the stun baton from RE5 would be great for Smash Attacks, but of course there's no shortage of melee moves to use.

This is some good stuff right here

Terraforce · Dec 8, 2018

FluxWaveZ said:
Indeed it was. Another:

Did they have to stand up the entire three and a half hours TGA was going on for? lol

HylianSeven · Dec 8, 2018

So what will Joker's symbol be? It has to be one representative of it's franchise as a whole instead of the specific game, so the Phantom Thieves top hat logo is out. I think there's one of two options. They could call it representative of the broader Megami Tensei franchise as a while, so in that case:

However I doubt that, as I think it will represent the franchise it's actually from, Persona. Therefore I think the symbol is likely to be this:

It's a thing that's been consistent on the whole Persona series, and isn't necessarily the P5 style masks.

TheGamingNewsGuy · Dec 8, 2018

Setzer Gabbiani said:
Yes. YoKai Watch will have a rep of some kind. Those 3DS sales dictate it.

I am betting on it.Yokai Watch being as successful as it is in Japan plus Level 5 having a good relationship with Nintendo

Byakura · Dec 8, 2018

HylianSeven said:
So what will Joker's symbol be? It has to be one representative of it's franchise as a whole instead of the specific game, so the Phantom Thieves top hat logo is out. I think there's one of two options. They could call it representative of the broader Megami Tensei franchise as a while, so in that case:

However I doubt that, as I think it will represent the franchise it's actually from, Persona. Therefore I think the symbol is likely to be this:

It's a thing that's been consistent on the whole Persona series, and isn't necessarily the P5 style masks.

I've always thought that if a Persona character got into Smash they would use the symbol on the back of the tarot cards.

so ya the second one is my bet

Cordy · Dec 8, 2018

HylianSeven said:
So what will Joker's symbol be? It has to be one representative of it's franchise as a whole instead of the specific game, so the Phantom Thieves top hat logo is out.

It'll probably be the hat given they showed the symbol in the reveal trailer.

HylianSeven · Dec 8, 2018

Cordy said:
It'll probably be the hat given they showed the symbol in the reveal trailer.

Cloud's symbol is FF and not the meteor thing from the FF7 logo, even though they mentioned nothing about any other FF game.

Dymaxion · Dec 8, 2018

So I'm guessing the stage for challenger pack 1 will either be the casino from the beginning of the game or the Velvet Room. Either would be really cool, but I'm rooting for the casino.

ILikeFeet · Dec 8, 2018

the Megami Tensei logo might be too ornate for a smash icon. they could always go with a stylized "SMT" like they did FF, SF, DK, etc. but Persona isn't SMT. then again, NIntendo explicitly referenced Persona as a spinoff

Paintman · Dec 8, 2018

HylianSeven said:
Cloud's symbol is FF and not the meteor thing from the FF7 logo, even though they mentioned nothing about any other FF game.

How about the blue butterfly that represents Philemon?

Kyzon Xin · Dec 8, 2018

Regulus Tera said:
Does Doomguy have a canon name?

Blazkowicz

Terraforce · Dec 8, 2018

TheGamingNewsGuy said:
I am betting on it.Yokai Watch being as successful as it is in Japan plus Level 5 having a good relationship with Nintendo

My god if true I'd be ecstatic. Bandana Dee seems out of the running, and Disney is a roadblock for Sora, so Jibanyan is my last dream character. Saw a moveset online of him working in collaboration with Whisper which would be too perfect and incredibly unique.

Wouldn't be the hype level of Joker, but Jibanyan would fit right in imo.

HylianSeven · Dec 8, 2018

Paintman said:
How about the blue butterfly that represents Philemon?

That actually totally makes sense, I didn't even think about that. Even though Philemon wasn't directly mentioned in P3, P4, and P5, the butterfly still shows up at some point.

ILikeFeet · Dec 8, 2018

Terraforce said:
My god if true I'd be ecstatic. Bandana Dee seems out of the running, and Disney is a roadblock for Sora, so Jibanyan is my last dream character. Saw a moveset online of him working in collaboration with Whisper which would be too perfect and incredibly unique.

Wouldn't be the hype level of Joker, but Jibanyan would fit right in imo.

I don't think Disney would be so difficult. especially now that Nintendo is publishing a Marvel game and Disney is pretty open to collaborations

ShinobiBk · Dec 8, 2018

They could just use the P5 cover logo like they did in the trailer.
Depends if they're gonna have stuff from other games in there. Naoto spirit is necessary. Naoto spirit fight with Lucina is just too easy.

ILikeFeet · Dec 8, 2018

ShinobiBk said:
They could just use the P5 cover logo like they did in the trailer.
Depends if they're gonna have stuff from other games in there. Naoto spirit is necessary. Naoto spirit fight with Lucina is just too easy.

having SMT spirits on FE characters for lulz

Regulus Tera · Dec 8, 2018

Kyzon Xin said:
Blazkowicz

I thought that was Wolfenstein.

Frecklestein said:
Dominique McGuyerson

nice

ILikeFeet · Dec 8, 2018

Regulus Tera said:
I thought that was Wolfenstein.

I forgot where it was, but the Wolfenstein Blazkowicz is Doom Guy's ancestor

Ambient80 · Dec 8, 2018

Man that Persona music playing in a fight would be so damn hype. I just saw the announcement for this, very excited!!!

AndrewB · Dec 8, 2018

Pack 1 - Joker (Persona 5) releasing Q1 2019 w/ Persona 5: Rouge announcement for May 2019
Pack 2 - Dante (DmC 5 Ver.) announced in the fortnight around March release of DMC 5, coming out Q2 2019
Pack 3 - Tracer (Overwatch, to launch with Overwatch switch, announced at E3 2019
Pack 4 - 2B (NieR Automata), also announced at E3 2019 with NieR Automata port
Pack 5 - Undecided, most likely ending SSMBU DLC with Goku

Eslayer · Dec 8, 2018

AndrewB said:
Pack 1 - Joker (Persona 5) releasing Q1 2019 w/ Persona 5: Rouge announcement for May 2019
Pack 2 - Dante (DmC 5 Ver.) announced in the fortnight around March release of DMC 5, coming out Q2 2019
Pack 3 - Tracer (Overwatch, to launch with Overwatch switch, announced at E3 2019
Pack 4 - 2B (NieR Automata), also announced at E3 2019 with NieR Automata port
Pack 5 - Undecided, most likely ending SSMBU DLC with Goku

Maybe a Yokai watch character too rather than goku or one of the others

HotHamBoy · Dec 8, 2018

AndrewB said:
Pack 1 - Joker (Persona 5) releasing Q1 2019 w/ Persona 5: Rouge announcement for May 2019
Pack 2 - Dante (DmC 5 Ver.) announced in the fortnight around March release of DMC 5, coming out Q2 2019
Pack 3 - Tracer (Overwatch, to launch with Overwatch switch, announced at E3 2019
Pack 4 - 2B (NieR Automata), also announced at E3 2019 with NieR Automata port
Pack 5 - Undecided, most likely ending SSMBU DLC with Goku

This is comedy gold

Kewlmyc · Dec 8, 2018

I don't see any western characters making it in. Only Diddy and K.Rool are the exceptions at this point in terms of characters, and they're tied to Donkey Kong.

A western 3rd party (no matter who they are) would be a pretty big pop considering how ground breaking that would be for the franchise.

HylianSeven said:
So what will Joker's symbol be?

I think it'll be the mask on the back of the Persona cards, the one you posted a picture of. It's the only image consistent across the series.

kvetcha · Dec 8, 2018

Cipherr said:
I cant fucking breathe everytime some kind of shocking news drops and posts on the first page are like: "NANI?!"

I fucking hate anime, but I consumed enough to at least get that. Tickles me to death for some reason.

"nani the fuck" always gets me

waffleboy · Dec 8, 2018

I want Pierce Bronson era James Bond

AndrewB · Dec 8, 2018

HotHamBoy said:
This is comedy gold

How so?

Neoxon · Dec 8, 2018

AndrewB said:
How so?

Not sure, but I'd consider the joke part to be Goku (non-video game character & whatnot).

Cordy · Dec 8, 2018

HylianSeven said:
Cloud's symbol is FF and not the meteor thing from the FF7 logo, even though they mentioned nothing about any other FF game.

Good point. Who knows really. I guess it'll depend on if they'll grab things from the series as a whole or not.

ILikeFeet · Dec 8, 2018

watch Smash show more love for Persona 1 and 2 than Atlus

Joker from Persona 5 announced for Smash Bros. Ultimate (DLC Pack 1)

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