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Illusion

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Oct 27, 2017
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Pack 1 - Joker (Persona 5) releasing Q1 2019 w/ Persona 5: Rouge announcement for May 2019
Pack 2 - Dante (DmC 5 Ver.) announced in the fortnight around March release of DMC 5, coming out Q2 2019
Pack 3 - Tracer (Overwatch, to launch with Overwatch switch, announced at E3 2019
Pack 4 - 2B (NieR Automata), also announced at E3 2019 with NieR Automata port
Pack 5 - Undecided, most likely ending SSMBU DLC with Goku
Blizzard has no plans to release Overwatch on the Switch last I checked.

2B seems super possible.
That and Sora (who's been highly requested)

I can't possibly guess what upcoming releases they could use smash newcomers to tie the release with.
 

Chaos2Frozen

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Nov 3, 2017
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Joker's Contribution

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henhowc

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Oct 26, 2017
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the kinda funny reaction to this was lol

tim throws his hat knocking a drink onto andy's laptop ruining it. the whole time he's bouncing between apologizing and trying to listen to the to the announcement ;]
 

Zyrox

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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Every time I see this thread I get a huge smile on my face. He made it. He made it. Hell yes! That trailer was just perfection.
Also, I need more P5 x Smash fanart. Feed me!
 

FluxWaveZ

Persona Central
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Oct 25, 2017
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This one's probably up there in terms of most surprising game announcements of 2018. Even if one expected him as a character in SSBU, no one predicted that TGA would be the venue for it. It took everyone by surprise, and made for some genuine reactions of shock for many. It was really cool to see.

And it didn't leak, either. It's pretty much how a reveal should be done.
 
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Now that I have had time to digest it, I'm not really liking this pick when we could have had better representatives including people from SMT. Now we have people unironically predicting 2-B from Nier, Goku from Dragonball Z, Dante from DMC, etc. and none of these characters have ever appeared on a Nintendo console ever. Like it's madness lol.
 

Mr. Capo

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Oct 26, 2017
527
Now that I have had time to digest it, I'm not really liking this pick when we could have had better representatives including people from SMT. Now we have people unironically predicting 2-B from Nier, Goku from Dragonball Z, Dante from DMC, etc. and none of these characters have ever appeared on a Nintendo console ever. Like it's madness lol.
All bets are off now.
 

DecoReturns

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Oct 27, 2017
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Now that I have had time to digest it, I'm not really liking this pick when we could have had better representatives including people from SMT. Now we have people unironically predicting 2-B from Nier, Goku from Dragonball Z, Dante from DMC, etc. and none of these characters have ever appeared on a Nintendo console ever. Like it's madness lol.
Dante actually has appeared on a Nintendo console.
 

RochHoch

One Winged Slayer
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May 22, 2018
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Now that I have had time to digest it, I'm not really liking this pick when we could have had better representatives including people from SMT. Now we have people unironically predicting 2-B from Nier, Goku from Dragonball Z, Dante from DMC, etc. and none of these characters have ever appeared on a Nintendo console ever. Like it's madness lol.
There's a giant fucking chasm of difference between an Atlus/Sega rep so many of the other picks that people have been throwing out since Thursday. People are so hung up on "OMG PERSONA 5 IS PS4 EXCLUSIVE!!!!!!" that they're jumping to implausible conclusions for no good reason.
 

Giga Man

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
21,216
Guys, gals... What if his stage has Phantom Thieves conversations?! Persona 5 is EXTREMELY dialogue heavy. Conversations would be PERFECT! Have it work like the Star Fox conversations so there's a good assortment of random dialogue for any situation.



Joker's inclusion in Smash just keeps getting better and better

Skull is looking mad uncomfortable.
 

Rotobit

Editor at Nintendo Wire
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Oct 27, 2017
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Guys, gals... What if his stage has Phantom Thieves conversations?! Persona 5 is EXTREMELY dialogue heavy. Conversations would be PERFECT! Have it work like the Star Fox conversations so there's a good assortment of random dialogue for any situation.


Skull is looking mad uncomfortable.

The fact they got at least four voice actors in just for a reveal trailer, pretty recently too I'd wager, makes me think something like this is pretty likely. Though I figure they'd want Futaba in there given her role in P5. I guess Morgana works too though.

I reckon we'll get all of the Phantom Thieves as Spirits at least, but I wouldn't hold out hope for more Persona representation outside of 5.
 

Yasumi

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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The fact they got at least four voice actors in just for a reveal trailer, pretty recently too I'd wager, makes me think something like this is pretty likely. Though I figure they'd want Futaba in there given her role in P5. I guess Morgana works too though.

I reckon we'll get all of the Phantom Thieves as Spirits at least, but I wouldn't hold out hope for more Persona representation outside of 5.
Probably happened during the Dancing in Starlight sessions.
 

HK-47

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Oct 25, 2017
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People questioning Doomguy need to play Doom 64. That's all the credentials he needs
 

Thequietone

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Oct 26, 2017
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The one thing I have against characters like Doom Slayer, Sub Zero, Scorpion, and Leon is can they do the characters justice without the gore/realistic weapons. I mean maybe Sub Zero but Mortal Kombat has never been popular in Japan.
 

FaceHugger

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Oct 27, 2017
13,949
USA
Wow. I didn't think that would ever be a thing. Get more exposure for Persona 5, that game was a true work of art in every way.
 

HK-47

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Oct 25, 2017
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The one thing I have against characters like Doom Slayer, Sub Zero, Scorpion, and Leon is can they do the characters justice without the gore/realistic weapons. I mean maybe Sub Zero but Mortal Kombat has never been popular in Japan.
Doom weapons are all over the top powerful. As long as they keep the punch, it should be fine
 

Rust

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Jan 24, 2018
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Professor Layton.

Professor Goddamn Herschel Motherflippin' Layton.

Let's do this.

(Although to be honest, I'm surprised there seems to be no Level-5 involvement at all. Considering Layton, Inazuma 11 and Yokai were all big deals on Nintendo systems, I thought at least a spirit would be a shoe-in.
 

Deleted member 50374

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Dec 4, 2018
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Where are Flynn and Nanashi Nintendo.

They at least are protagonists of a mainline series on Nintendo now.

Joker is good and all but I actually want

YHWH

as an assist trophy, or even just the Jack bois... or Mara
 

Zombine

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Oct 25, 2017
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If this does act as promotional material for a Persona Switch release, you could safely assume that the remaining 4 will have some ties to games or partnerships that are on the horizon.
 

BBboy20

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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So what will Joker's symbol be? It has to be one representative of it's franchise as a whole instead of the specific game, so the Phantom Thieves top hat logo is out. I think there's one of two options. They could call it representative of the broader Megami Tensei franchise as a while, so in that case:



However I doubt that, as I think it will represent the franchise it's actually from, Persona. Therefore I think the symbol is likely to be this:



It's a thing that's been consistent on the whole Persona series, and isn't necessarily the P5 style masks.
When Cloud got initials of Final Fantasy instead of 7's meteor, it gave the impression that other FF characters could appear later on in 4.

That didn't happen.

Figure they'll just use the P5 symbol unless one of the character packs is another FF character which could mean they would use a broad meaning symbol.
 

MaitreWakou

One Winged Slayer
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May 15, 2018
13,180
Toulouse, France
So I'm guessing the stage for challenger pack 1 will either be the casino from the beginning of the game or the Velvet Room. Either would be really cool, but I'm rooting for the casino.
They have a lot of choices.
Kimishima's Castle, the Bank and Futaba's Pyramid are all iconic.
My favorite would be the underground. It would change from the real life underground to the corrupted one.
 

Plum

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May 31, 2018
17,279
So...any guesses as to the moveset?

Regular Attacks: Short-range knife attacks

Neutral Special: Gun - Fast-moving projectile that can trip people up if multiple hits are landed
Side Special: Eiha - Slow-moving projectile that causes damage over time if it hits
Down Special: Cleave - Similar to Zelda's Phantom move but with Arsene instead of a Phantom
Up Special: Super Jump - Just a big jump, the kind you see in a lot of contextual stuff in P5.

Final Smash: All-Out Attack - Morgana, Anne and Ryuji join in for an all-out-attack

They have a lot of choices.
Kimishima's Castle, the Bank and Futaba's Pyramid are all iconic.
My favorite would be the underground. It would change from the real life underground to the corrupted one.

How about Shibuya? Have it morph between regular Shibuya and the Shibuya from the Bank Palace or even just a corrupted version of Shibuya.
 

ILikeFeet

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Oct 25, 2017
61,987
When Cloud got initials of Final Fantasy instead of 7's meteor, it gave the impression that other FF characters could appear later on in 4.

That didn't happen.

Figure they'll just use the P5 symbol unless one of the character packs is another FF character which could mean they would use a broad meaning symbol.
To be fair, Cloud didn't get anything. Hell, they removed FF content since the last game. Think it's safe to say Cloud is an outlier here
 

FluxWaveZ

Persona Central
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Oct 25, 2017
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What I want is for all of his B moves (except for maybe up B) to involve Arsene summoning and to either have long startup or be active for a long time, so that Joker can attack and move simultaneously while his persona is doing something.
 

PancakeFlip

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Oct 26, 2017
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Actually wondering that the Joker announcement was Reggie's idea to get more people to have confidence and preorder the DLC pack. Interested to know if a lot of people were spooked out of the pack by Pirahna Plant.

Their might be some mild entertainment out of it simply being a left-field choice, but I'm not really sure people would actually buy it if it was not a bonus or would have looked at it as an encouragement for future DLC choices. At the midnight launch people were already mocking it which I guess is better than hating it, there was also that play tester who leaked it who thought it was a stupid choice and that people would actually get pissed off.

Whatever the case, I'm excited for Joker and I'll bite on the pack and now Reggie can reel me in.
 

Balfour

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Oct 25, 2017
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They should have gone with Terra instead of Cloud, I guess Square needs their golden boy everywhere...

Sakurai personally requested Cloud. Because he knew Cloud was THE Final Fantasy character and the most popular and most well known. As well as the most requested character they got from the franchise.

Nomura directly said he thought he would ask for someone newer like Lightning or Noctis
 

Baphomet

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Dec 8, 2018
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It was soo unexpected , I smiled in happiness. If they somehow made a Jojo character in Smash (however unlikely that is), I will have a heart attack :P
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
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Oct 25, 2017
61,987
Demi-Fiend would be an amazing character for Smash, but I don't think it makes sense to have two Atlus/SMT characters as DLC.
I'm just hoping they represent Megami Tensei as a whole through spirits. with Nintendo mentioned SMT multiple times in the PR, I'm expecting some sort of representation like Flynn, Nanashi, Demi Fiend, Alph, etc.

really I just want them to make SMT x FE jokes
 

HylianSeven

Shin Megami TC - Community Resetter
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Oct 25, 2017
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Where are Flynn and Nanashi Nintendo.

They at least are protagonists of a mainline series on Nintendo now.

Joker is good and all but I actually want

YHWH

as an assist trophy, or even just the Jack bois... or Mara
Joker is a more popular character and I totally understand why they went with him, I would have preferred Demi-Fiend or just Jack Frost, but I am thrilled for Joker nonetheless.

Flynn and Nanashi, while they starred in games on a Nintendo platform, are not as popular as Demi-Fiend. If you ask anyone who the most popular SMT protagonist is, I almost assure you Demi-Fiend is the answer. Plus if they still have to follow the "must have appeared on a Nintendo platform at some point", Demi-Fiend is eligible as he was in the SMTIV Apocalypse DLC. I do not think any other Atlus character will get in since Joker is, but I am okay with that. I just hope Joker has some SMT references.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Joker in terms of raw brand recognition made the most sense even if I preferred other SMT characters.

More importantly: Yu > Joker
 

Deleted member 50374

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Dec 4, 2018
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Joker is a more popular character and I totally understand why they went with him, I would have preferred Demi-Fiend or just Jack Frost, but I am thrilled for Joker nonetheless.

Flynn and Nanashi, while they starred in games on a Nintendo platform, are not as popular as Demi-Fiend. If you ask anyone who the most popular SMT protagonist is, I almost assure you Demi-Fiend is the answer. Plus if they still have to follow the "must have appeared on a Nintendo platform at some point", Demi-Fiend is eligible as he was in the SMTIV Apocalypse DLC. I do not think any other Atlus character will get in since Joker is, but I am okay with that. I just hope Joker has some SMT references.
I was really kidding but yeah I get their point and I'm excited for Joker nonetheless.

But I also hope SMT V will kinda have the same success Persona 5 had
 
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