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JOKER |OT| Viviamo in una società |SPOILERS|
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The last thing we see is the photo with his love note. Clearly, she could have written it, but the order of events suggests we're supposed to still consider the possibility.
I saw it earlier today and it was better than I expected. I heard many people saying it was very shallow in its commentary, and it is, but as a character study it is captivating watching Arthur Fleck transform into the Joker. The film teeters on making him a bit too sympathetic at times, but it shows his larger struggle beyond "some guys beat me up." He finally finds happiness in his life, and it's at the expense of everyone around him. I guess that's the joke.
Phoenix really makes the movie worth watching. I don't think it would've worked with a lesser actor. He can deftly switch between a subtle and morose attitude and the more bombastic theatrics he shows later on. If you want to see Phoenix act his ass of for two hours straight with maybe five seconds of footage not on his skeletal frame then I highly recommend Joker.
Although Fleck as a character kept my attention, the clown riots and social unrest aspect seemed really more like window dressing that had nothing concrete to say. So much is borrowed from actual events: Occupy Wall Street, group adopting insult as moniker i.e. deplorables, New York fiscal crisis of the 1970s etc., but its only used as a circumstantial background subplot. I can buy the idea that anti-establishment groups would spring up given the state of the city, but it seems that Gotham's problems were largely due to incompetence of the local government and not with the wealthy. The protestors solely seemed to be focused on the rich, and particularly Wayne, when he seemingly had little or no influence on the current state of affairs.
Phoenix really makes the movie worth watching. I don't think it would've worked with a lesser actor. He can deftly switch between a subtle and morose attitude and the more bombastic theatrics he shows later on. If you want to see Phoenix act his ass of for two hours straight with maybe five seconds of footage not on his skeletal frame then I highly recommend Joker.
Although Fleck as a character kept my attention, the clown riots and social unrest aspect seemed really more like window dressing that had nothing concrete to say. So much is borrowed from actual events: Occupy Wall Street, group adopting insult as moniker i.e. deplorables, New York fiscal crisis of the 1970s etc., but its only used as a circumstantial background subplot. I can buy the idea that anti-establishment groups would spring up given the state of the city, but it seems that Gotham's problems were largely due to incompetence of the local government and not with the wealthy. The protestors solely seemed to be focused on the rich, and particularly Wayne, when he seemingly had little or no influence on the current state of affairs.
The protestors are told how to act by the media. The media create the narrative that the subway murders were motivated by the men's occupations. And the media fan the flames of Thomas Wayne's comments by running headlines on it, which in itself is a circus because Wayne had no official position of power merely a potential candidate.
This music is some of the greatest music I've ever heard in comic book films. I've been listening to this one for hours.
The actor apparently played Thomas Wayne as if he was Arthur's father and he put Penny in a mental asylum. But that isn't to say he was or did that.
It can be whatever you want it to be. There isn't a definitive answer, which I think is part and parcel of the character. I even wonder if Arthur knows given his tendency to imagine entire relationships that never happened.
Before Fleck starts putting on make up for the TV Show in his apartment, he holds a picture of his mother in her youth. He turns it around and there is a note "I love the way you smile – T.W.". So there maybe was something between them, either way Fleck doesn't seen to care.
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Or it could have just been a throwaway comment on an autograph. All three are possibilities as far as I'm concerned.
I really need to see this again.
Oh wow. They really need to keep this low-budget, R-rated approach they're taking.
Pretty sure she wrote it like the whacko she is. That's why he crumbles it and scoffs. He recognizes her handwriting.
Woah never considered the possibility she wrote it herself
Just saw the movie myself and yeah my first thought was she was the one who wrote it.
?? That scene is in the movie.
is this from the Eric Andre cut?
pretty sure this is just cropped from the scene with all those monitors. It just happens to show a few seconds after the show was cut live.
is this from the Eric Andre cut?
For the life of me, I don't recall him being tackled at all
He was. It was really quick and right at the end of the segment.
It was shown after the Technical Difficulties part on a Tv somewhere (I believe the control room).
I thought this movie was average to ok.
Someone said earlier.. it's just trauma porn.
I felt like rhis character is not the joker though.
This character's big scheme only works because he is unassuming and seems harmless. It's impossible for this guy to become a super villain, who is able to constantly avoid arrest and sometimes get the upper hand on the greatest detective in the world.
Someone said earlier.. it's just trauma porn.
I felt like rhis character is not the joker though.
This character's big scheme only works because he is unassuming and seems harmless. It's impossible for this guy to become a super villain, who is able to constantly avoid arrest and sometimes get the upper hand on the greatest detective in the world.
Damn how did I miss that lol
Just came back from it.
Stellar, I feel like I just watched a key piece of cinematic history, loved it. I'll be thinking about it for the next few days for sure.
I will also rewatch The Dark Knight Trilogy because why the hell not.
Stellar, I feel like I just watched a key piece of cinematic history, loved it. I'll be thinking about it for the next few days for sure.
I will also rewatch The Dark Knight Trilogy because why the hell not.
Best scene in the entire movie for me. That whole appartment bit. Reminded me of the true and only Joker from the animated serie, I had such a face eating grin
"You're the only one who ever was nice to me"
Now I want to compare it to her handwriting in the journal
Already seen the movie twice now, but while watching it a 2nd time, something has been on my mind in regards to the train shootings. Did Arthur have time to reload the gun? 1st guy got shot once, 2nd guy twice. Third guy pretty sure got hit once on the train before getting hit a 2nd time trying to get up the stairs before Arthur shot him two more times in the back killing him. Maybe I'm just overthinking it but either he reloaded it, it's a unintentional movie mistake, or the shooting never happened (with the entire movie just being something Arthur made up while locked away)
Is this real? It can't be, right? What is all that noise and shouting during a movie - much less one as somber as this? Is it always like this in America? They know it's a film and the characters can't hear them right?
Edit: just googled kinoplex and seems like it's Brazil? Remind me never to go there.
I'm 99.99% that's India, the theater is like a party over there.
