None of it felt evil. I'm not a fucking dumbass. Murder is evil. But it's a movie, and it didn't feel evil. It felt justified. With Joker I feel like it shouldn't feel justified.
None of it felt evil. I'm not a fucking dumbass. Murder is evil. But it's a movie, and it didn't feel evil. It felt justified. With Joker I feel like it shouldn't feel justified.
Killing a talk show host in cold blood because he ripped on your bad stand up is justified?
Killing a talk show host in cold blood because he ripped on your bad stand up is justified?
What about his co-worker?The way I saw it the movie portrayed it like the Joker was right. Murray was being a complete asshole to him. I'm not saying you kill the man but make Murray a better guy and I'd feel like Joker was more in the wrong.
Whaaaaaa? I couldn't imagine anyone else in that role but Rupert Pumpkin. Absolutely perfect. I just wish they full on adopted the name.
That guy fucked him over. He was a bad dude. He let the other guy go. How am I supposed to feel like Joker's a bad guy in that case?
Your own moral compass is fucked if you think it wasn't an evil act to kill the guy.That guy fucked him over. He was a bad dude. He let the other guy go. How am I supposed to feel like Joker's a bad guy in that case?
Joker is just barely coming into his own. He has plenty of time to develope into the mastermind people know him to be.
He made a few jokes about his poor stand-up routine, but still gave him pretty massive exposure and invited him on the show. And gave Arthur massive leeway when he showed up in a literal clownsuit with no real act to speak of. I don't want to say he was a great guy, but he was way more accomodating than pretty much any other live TV host would have been. I have a hard time seeing Murray's murder as some kind of karmic retribution or street justice. I think the point is that he's really no worse than any other late night hosts. Jay Leno had bits that were way more mean-spirited, and he's considered the pussycat of the bunch.The way I saw it the movie portrayed it like the Joker was right. Murray was being a complete asshole to him. I'm not saying you kill the man but make Murray a better guy and I'd feel like Joker was more in the wrong.
He made a few jokes about his poor stand-up routine, but still gave him pretty massive exposure and invited him on the show. And gave Arthur massive leeway when he showed up in a literal clownsuit with no real act to speak of. I don't want to say he was a great guy, but he was way more accomodating than pretty much any other live TV host would have been. I have a hard time seeing Murray's murder as some kind of karmic retribution or street justice. I think the point is that he's really no worse than any other late night hosts. Jay Leno had bits that were way more mean-spirited, and he's considered the pussycat of the bunch.
She wasent suppose to
I keep seeing this type of post and I can't stop smiling at people turning Arthur into the little engine that could.
Your own moral compass is fucked if you think it wasn't an evil act to kill the guy.
That's what Arthur thinks, but he's already developed something of a persecution complex. I don't think it's ever indicated that Fleck was only invited on for further mockery. We never see Murray or his assistants planning to attack or ambush him. I kinda thought the invitation to appear was meant as something of an olive branch -- to give the guy a leg up after knocking him down a peg. If we were intended to see Murray as a villain I think they would have pushed that angle a little harder -- at best his motivations are probably meant to be ambiguous.I mean, he definitely wanted to make fun of him. That was the only reason why he had him on the show. Arthur even pointed that out.
Did he fuck him over? I thought him giving the gun was delusion.That guy fucked him over. He was a bad dude. He let the other guy go. How am I supposed to feel like Joker's a bad guy in that case?
You can see his reasoning for him killing and still think they are evil acts and in no way justified.Obviously it's not the right thing to fuckin' do. I think you're taking this wrong. I'm not saying to murder someone. But it's a movie, and a villain. So when it has the Joker murder people that have done bad things or have bad intentions then what the fuck am I supposed to think? Obviously murdering is bad. I'm saying that for the Joker as a character this felt tame, and made the audience feel sympathetic and see the reasoning behind his murders. You're making it out like Arthur is a legitimate person in our society. If he was then fuck intentions, if he murdered someone that's evil. But it's the Joker and he's not real. Don't know if you know that. Guess I'm morally corrupt.
I keep seeing this type of post and I can't stop smiling at people turning Arthur into the little engine that could.
I keep seeing this type of post and I can't stop smiling at people turning Arthur into the little engine that could.
And that's what I did today, saw it a 2nd time and throughly enjoyed it. This time around I saw it in a regular screening as opposed to Dolby. The experience didn't feel the same but of course the movie was still good.Still can't stop thinking about this movie.
I know in my initial reaction I said it's one of those "you only need to see it once" movies, given how dark it is at times, but I feel it'll reward repeat viewings. Can't wait for the blu-ray to see the deleted scenes.
I keep seeing this type of post and I can't stop smiling at people turning Arthur into the little engine that could.
No he gave him the gun. The whole reason he was at the apartment wasnt because of condolences for the mother but he says that the cops have been asking him questions and he wants to talk with Arthur and get their story straight. If the gun was stolen he would just tell the cops and that would be that.Did he fuck him over? I thought him giving the gun was delusion.
So the answer is no, the co-worker didn't fuck him over.No he gave him the gun. The whole reason he was at the apartment wasnt because of condolences for the mother but he says that the cops have been asking him questions and he wants to talk with Arthur and get their story straight. If the gun was stolen he would just tell the cops and that would be that.
Why? Why do you think the more standard Joker has so much more potential than this Joker? You don't know his origin. This could actually be his origin. Or it might not be.
Maybe the origin of the Joker actually is the Killing Joke origin. Why would you think that a failed stand up comedian that fell into some chemicals would have more potential to become the insane yet brilliant criminal genius that we know over Arthur?
I vaguely remember hearing someone say "Arthur bought the gun" or that "he was looking for a gun to buy" something along those lines when he was at HaHas. Which in turn made him pissed off about his co-worker and the reason why he killed him.
Didn't his boss say that the guy that gave him the gun said that Arthur was trying to buy a different gun from someone else?
I vaguely remember hearing someone say "Arthur bought the gun" or that "he was looking for a gun to buy" something along those lines when he was at HaHas. Which in turn made him pissed off about his co-worker and the reason why he killed him.
i was addressing the giving the gun delusion.
Arthur was going to get canned no matter what the co-worker said here.randall sold arthur off, not admitting that he gave him the gun, and washing his hand off the matter by saying arthur wanted to buy a gun from him but he said no
The cops said they talked to people at his work and know he dropped a gun in the children's hospital.As for fucking Arthur over i think being ratted on by the cops is being fucked over. i forget the scene it happens in but Arthur learns the cops know about him because of Gun Clown.
i think its that scene the cops bring up Gun Clown (i forget his name).Arthur was going to get canned no matter what the co-worker said here.
The cops said they talked to people at his work and know he dropped a gun in the children's hospital.
I think my biggest problem with the movie is that I don't feel the Joker did anything evil. He didn't do anything that actively made me root against him which I wanted.
I don't think he did.
So he just left her alone?I don't think he did.
It's a theme in the movie where it shows that after each killing he dances. He didn't dance after she was last seen. There was no need to show her anymore after we've learned that it was all a hallucination.
Yup. Just like he did little man.
If Joker is meant to represent the manifestation of the rot and neglect in society, then I would have liked to see that turmoil gradually fester in the background of the film as well. The jump from murders to riots was way too quick.