Yeah, it's really funny how the conversation around it being an inspiration to incels and the alt-right kind of vanished.
The movie can't have a message coopted by incels if it barely has anything to say.
Yeah, it's really funny how the conversation around it being an inspiration to incels and the alt-right kind of vanished.
Naw. Has plenty to say. Even says to you in an very obvious way as to what it is saying.The movie can't have a message coopted by incels if it barely has anything to say.
Naw. Has plenty to say. Even says to you in an very obvious way as to what it is saying.
I genuinely hadn't heard of her before.I'm a little surprised by that thread. I thought Jenny was well known and pretty well liked amongst this crowd.
It wasn't malicious on my part.it was intentional targeting from a select few here. Malicious but expected, just glad it got reposted and not completely silenced
then you missed the very obviousIt has the aesthetics of a movie that has something to say, but I came away wondering what the point of the whole thing was.
so you find it shallow. k.No I didn't, I am saying the muddled messages about mental health is so shallow that every time the movie reminds you that is what it's about it is utterly embarassing.
"It's not supposed to have a message" is kind of a weird defense as well as being wrong.
The movie tries to have several. They're all half baked. Go watch Taxi Driver.
because it doesn't go into mental health care issues as if it's a documentary?
Thats why it's brilliant! :)
because it doesn't go into mental health care issues as if it's a documentary?
so i should really argue that your nebulous shallow is somehow legit? you are just saying words without substance.Yes, exactly thank you. Here I was thinking you might be discussing with me in bad faith!
so i should really argue that your nebulous shallow is somehow legit? you are just saying words without substance.
ah. that's what this is.
Taxi Driver isn't a particularly deep movie, but it executes on its single through line well while Joker has like multiple dots scattered throughout the film that barely go anywhere.Taxi Driver had no more of a message than Joker. Man Goes Crazy in a Crazy World.
It yells many things very loudly but without any real conviction.so is this movie not supposed to have a message or it has plenty to say?
Joker didn't hold up a sign saying "I am bad person y'all, don't be like me" in the movie so some people are a little confused.so is this movie not supposed to have a message or it has plenty to say?
Reposted from my thread from earlier, sorry about the confusion there, honestly the whole Jenny/Jack thing went over my head when I posted it. Y'all should be up on Nicholson's vids though, she's up there with Lindsay Ellis, Folding Ideas, and Patrick H. Willems, can def recommend. She goes into the problems with this movie's lack of a coherent theme, and honestly echoes a lot of my own thoughts regarding this movie's problems
also I don't know how anyone could not like the dancing. Phoenix killed it.
That does not work at all when you introduce the therapist at the end of the movie.What if Phillips and Phoenix came out in a few months and said, they wanted to make a movie about the Joker where he is having one of his sessions with a shrink, and Joker is just giving them one of the many "you wanna know how I got these scars" stories. Nothing more than that.
What if Phillips and Phoenix came out in a few months and said, they wanted to make a movie about the Joker where he is having one of his sessions with a shrink, and Joker is just giving them one of the many "you wanna know how I got these scars" stories. Nothing more than that.
Did they not succeed in that? Did they not make the perfect Joker origin story?
That does not work at all when you introduce the therapist at the end of the movie.
Then the movie was a worthless waste of fucking time.But it was in the movie, at the end, with the shrink. Quit trying to take the movie so literal.
But it was in the movie, at the end, with the shrink. Quit trying to take the movie so literal.
Imagine Joker directed his own movie. This is what this movie is.
Oh well this movie will be irrelevant in a few years anyway when Matt Reeve's Batman movie comes out.
Then the movie was a worthless waste of fucking time.
"Lolol he trolled the therapist, none of it happened" totally robs the movie of any kind of meaning and purpose. A character study with social commentary that neither aspires to study its character or comment on society is worthless.
That's the Jokers message! Your getting it!Okay, lets say you're right. It's all bullshit.
Then what was the point of this fucking movie? Especially if you never even see the actual Joker in the film
God thissss...so the point of the movie was to troll everyone....Then the movie was a worthless waste of fucking time.
"Lolol he trolled the therapist, none of it happened" totally robs the movie of any kind of meaning and purpose. A character study with social commentary that neither aspires to study its character or comment on society is worthless.
Like the multiple scenes of him shirtless and contorting his bodyI thought it was pretty dumb tbh, felt weird for the sake of being weird
¯\_(ツ)_/¯I thought it was pretty dumb tbh, felt weird for the sake of being weird
Okay, lets say you're right. It's all bullshit.
Then what was the point of this fucking movie? Especially if you never even see the actual Joker in the film
It's a character study and that's it imoOkay, lets say you're right. It's all bullshit.
Then what was the point of this fucking movie? Especially if you never even see the actual Joker in the film
That's like saying Total Recall is pointless because one interpretation of the film is that the whole thing was in Quaid's mind. The movie is open to interpretation. That is good.
Blank Check Podcast pointed this out but why wasn't the Venice Film Festival Golden Lion Winner title card at the front of the movie.
Its customary for winners of awards at major film festivals to have title cards like that. Its a free brag.