"Joker" paying royalties to convicted pedophile Gary Glitter because it features one of his songs (UPDATE: Nope)

Syriel

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Dec 13, 2017
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This film is just one massive troll, isn't it?

The Warner. Bros film — which smashed opening weekend records with an international haul of $234 million — uses Glitter's 1972 hit "Rock and Roll Part 2" in a lengthy and pivotal scene, in which Joaquin Phoenix dances down a long flight of stairs and transforms into the iconic character.

Glitter, 75 — real name Paul Gadd — had huge success in the 1970s and 1980s as a star of Britain's glam rock scene, but fell dramatically from grace in the late 1990s after being arrested for downloading child pornography. In 2015, he was found guilty of attempted rape, four counts of indecent assault and one count of having sex with a girl under the age of 13, and sentenced to 16 years in prison.
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THErest

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Oct 25, 2017
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Omg, I used to play that song in marching band. BRB, checking Gary Glitter outed as pedophile date.

EDIT: WTF band? His child porn charges predate me having to play his song by about 5 years.
 

Ash735

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Sep 4, 2018
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You mean the song that is sang in American sports stadiums during a lot of Hockey games? Yeah as a Brit I always found that weirdly funny how the news of Gary Glitter being a paedophile didn't penetrate the states but just chalked it up to that song becoming engraved with sports culture.
 

Richiek

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Nov 2, 2017
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I find it hard to sympathize with Joker fans sick of the controversy surrounding the film, when Todd Phillips and Warners are the ones being part of the the problem.
 

roguesquirrel

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Oct 29, 2017
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i honestly never knew about the artist being a pedo till people were trying to use it to dunk on the joker movie, always thought of it as "that generic dadrock sports song" on this side of the pond. like it was unironically used in the american office
 

Duane

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Oct 27, 2017
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You mean the song that is sang in American sports stadiums during a lot of Hockey games? Yeah as a Brit I always found that weirdly funny how the news of Gary Glitter being a paedophile didn't penetrate the states but just chalked it up to that song becoming engraved with sports culture.

Not just hockey games... that song is extremely ubiquitous in all American sports, and a very small percentage of Americans will have any idea who Gary Glitter is at all.
 

alexi52

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Oct 28, 2017
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The song that's played in almost every sporting event, it's odd that joker is being targeted for using it when it's still being used everywhere
 
I find it hard to sympathize with Joker fans sick of the controversy surrounding the film, when Todd Phillips and Warners are the ones being part of the the problem.
I mean, the song is still in heavy rotation on classic rock radio stations and at sports venues, so it's not like he hasn't been getting paid while behind bars regardless. The song is going to outlive him, and almost quite literally since he's still got plenty of time left on his sentence.
 

Dabanton

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Oct 27, 2017
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Song has a different context in the states.

I went to some sports games in the US and was surprised they were playing it.

The song has different contextual associations in the US, having long been used in sports games, [known colloquially as The “Hey!” Song due to its chant] to gee up spectators. It is far removed from its association in the UK with a convicted paedophile.

For record companies and publishers there is likely to be a blunt business decision underpinning it all. But should those convicted of crimes continue to earn money from their intellectual property? Simply put, copyright does not end if someone serves time. Phil Spector, a convicted murderer, continues to make money from River Deep – Mountain High and Be My Baby, while Glitter continues to make money from Hello by Oasis, due to its referencing of Hello! Hello! I’m Back Again.
 

LewieP

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Feels like the clumsiest attempt to be edgy in the entire film.

Film explores childhood abuse as a theme (in a very shallow way), then scores Joker's apotheosis with Garry Glitter.

I struggle to believe it was an accident. It's really not hard to google the name of someone you are putting on a film soundtrack.

Edit: Really curious to hear how "has a different context in the US" is anything but a flimsy excuse. Why does it being popular in some sporting contexts mean Gary Glitter is not a pedo?

And tbh I don't actually think anything else about this film is particularly controversial.
 
Dec 29, 2017
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The song that's played in almost every sporting event, it's odd that joker is being targeted for using it when it's still being used everywhere
Yeah, but does Glitter get a check every time they play it at a sporting event? Considering his relatively recent arrests, some people would rather not support him.
 

muteKi

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Oct 22, 2018
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Using his music is a bad choice but outside of that the concerns about an incel uprising didn't appear to go anywhere.
I mean I think aside from some folks in the media sounding massive alarm bells the only people taking the threat unnecessarily seriously were the NYPD, but the NYPD has a history of overreacting to crimes and that's why they are so universally reviled.

I've recently come to realize that I have the perfect analogy why the movie shouldn't have been made -- because I think it's vapid, shallow, and fails to understand what makes the character compelling. It's the Jim Carrey in: Sonic the Hedgehog of comic book movies.
 
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Feels like the clumsiest attempt to be edgy in the entire film.

Film explores childhood abuse as a theme (in a very shallow way), then scores Joker's apotheosis with Garry Glitter.

I struggle to believe it was an accident. It's really not hard to google the name of someone you are putting on a film soundtrack.
it exploits it because it does not talk about the issue more deeply?

What the fuck are you even talking about? And I fucking hated the movie.

Just as tip, if you did no like something you can't just fabricate accusations
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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I heard there's a scene where Joker tosses plastic in the trash instead of recycling it. I tipped the FBI about it.
 
Feels like the clumsiest attempt to be edgy in the entire film.

Film explores childhood abuse as a theme (in a very shallow way), then scores Joker's apotheosis with Garry Glitter.

I struggle to believe it was an accident. It's really not hard to google the name of someone you are putting on a film soundtrack.

Edit: Really curious to hear how "has a different context in the US" is anything but a flimsy excuse. Why does it being popular in some sporting contexts mean Gary Glitter is not a pedo?

And tbh I don't actually think anything else about this film is particularly controversial.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that somehow Gary Glitter isn't a pedophile, but I don't think that his conviction made many waves outside of the UK, so a lot of folks plain don't know about what happened to him after he put out that song. As far as they're concerned, they're subconsciously shouting HEY at the mere thought of the song being in their head.
 

TSM

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, but does Glitter get a check every time they play it at a sporting event? Considering his relatively recent arrests, some people would rather not support him.
Theoretically he does. Any venue that plays music has to pay performance fees that allegedly get paid out to music artists.

 

Vyse

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Oct 25, 2017
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At this rate in 2025 there will be a thread made about how extra #75 was a shoplifter and racist.
 

Disco

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Oct 25, 2017
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I found the coincidence pretty hilarious since i was aware of what a creep the artist was when i saw that scene

I doubt it was intentional though. To rectify this they should just replace the song on the home release with something else of equal 'hype/empowering' effect

Also dude's caking over all the sport events that play this track
 

LewieP

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Oct 26, 2017
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Kind of frustrating that so many people (rightly!) told people spreading moral panic etc to wait and see the film, and form an opinion based on the content of the film. Here people are forming opinions based on the content of the film, and apparently that is now unacceptable too.
 

KenyaPSP

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Aug 26, 2019
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Why is this movie the wake up call for action against this guy/song? You can purchase it on iTunes and stream it on Spotify. Hell on Spotify they point out he was convicted in the artists bio but still lets you stream and ultimately give money to him.

So I’m really confused as to what the proper outcome is for situations like this....
 
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Syriel

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Dec 13, 2017
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It sounds like you're insinuating that the movie has many problems but I think this might be the only issue.

Using his music is a bad choice but outside of that the concerns about an incel uprising didn't appear to go anywhere.
It was more a comment on how the director has tried to present the film as a piece of brilliant art under siege. Most of the "controversy" has been fed by him, rather than any external factors.

I mean, when the guy is going out there saying that woke culture killed comedy, and you can't be funny anymore, it's hard not to see some of this stuff as trollish rather than anything else.

Want to see a solid film about someone getting pushed to the breaking point, and snapping? Go see Falling Down.
 

jml

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Mar 9, 2018
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Not just hockey games... that song is extremely ubiquitous in all American sports, and a very small percentage of Americans will have any idea who Gary Glitter is at all.
Dumb question maybe but is this still a thing? I was under the assumption that that song has been getting phased out of American sports in recent years. I remember it being EVERYWHERE for sports when I was a kid but I can't remember the last time I've actually heard it during a sporting event. Might just be my experience though.
 

Akainu

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Oct 27, 2017
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I found the coincidence pretty hilarious since i was aware of what a creep the artist was when i saw that scene

I doubt it was intentional though. To rectify this they should just replace the song on the home release with something else of equal 'hype/empowering' effect
I can see it now. "Film changes music trying to hide they fact it supported a pedo"