"Joker" paying royalties to convicted pedophile Gary Glitter because it features one of his songs (UPDATE: Nope)

Dead Man

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ITT: Americans learn what it is like to be ignorant of the international offensive context of a common social reference.
 

NiallGGlynn

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The music was so lame that they just replace it with some of the actually pretty cool score. Good lord this stupid-ass movie.
 

dennett316

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Well when they haven't seen it yet, they have to find legit ways to tear it down that doesn't come back to "I won't see this movie because reasons, but I will still trash it!"
Saw it, enjoyed it, the Glitter song was one of the more uncomfortable moments in the thing. They should take it out. You can criticise something like this and not have it be part of a conspiracy to bash the movie. Some things are a bit more important than comic book movie dick measuring contests.
 

SoZetaSlow

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ITT: Americans learn what it is like to be ignorant of the international offensive context of a common social reference.
I mean it might not even actually be ignorance, Roy Moore only barely lost his election despite being a pedo. Maybe Americans just really like pedos?
 

Calvarok

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Shhhhhhhhh, stop making sense. This doesn't fit their narrative.
i believe that criticism of this movie, its politics and premise is valuable. but the end-game of criticism is not necessarily "don't engage with this thing at all". bad or problematic movies have good things to teach us if we look at them critically. I don't think that the people who began this all intended to create such a firestorm, but their voice has become so amplified that any nuance in what they intended to say just doesn't translate with the way they phrased their initial comments.

In an ideal world, this would have been and still could be an opportunity to look at why violent disaffected white male loners are seen as compelling protagonists, and how that both reflects reality and vastly homogenizes it.

having that conversation is more important than stopping people from seeing a single movie, and has more influence on movie culture as a whole
 

Praxis

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It was made by a director who lashed out at "woke culture" of course people are gonna go to bat for this movie, would it be the internet it that wasn't reason enough. Like I haven't heard many actual bad reviews but even if its a good movie people really need to chill out
I detest comic book/superhero stuff, and even I want to see this film. You can't deny this is a really shitty fucking choice though, the ignorance excuse doesn't fly, I see the same shit written about black face.
 

jayu26

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The only thing to be learned here is to stop crying wolf about everything Joker, then serious stuff like this will actually get registered.
 

Ubik

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I am getting sick of all the woke Joker threads/articles too, it mostly seems like people are just trying to get a "gotcha" moment on people who liked the movie. But, this song is a legit criticism. The song choice is obviously going to rightfully bother a lot of people even if they otherwise enjoyed the movie. I really wish they didn't use it.

Different people are gonna have a different line that needs to be crossed when it comes to troublesome artists artwork. Being convicted of pedophilia should probably be well over that line for most people. Now, that piece of artwork being a small part of another larger artwork? That just muddies things again on whether the bigger piece of work is just as guilty and will definitely move that line for a lot of people, but it is still a problematic part of the picture.
 

SoZetaSlow

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I detest comic book/superhero stuff, and even I want to see this film. You can't deny this is a really shitty fucking choice though, the ignorance excuse doesn't fly, I see the same shit written about black face.
I'm probably gonna see the movie too but yeah it is fucking tasteless and just oh whoopsies accidentally making a convicted pedophile money doesn't cut it as an excuse
 

Raonak

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people really like making threads about this movie, huh?

I guess I should go watch it and see what all the fuss is about.
 

SoZetaSlow

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people really like making threads about this movie, huh?

I guess I should go watch it and see what all the fuss is about.
I mean the worst criticism I've heard from people who watched if thinking it was just ok nothing special and lots of people seem to think it's amazing so you'll probably at least enjoy it a little
 

peteykirch

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You know what is even more disturbing?

Penn State still plays Gary Glitter's Rock And Roll Part 2 at Football games.

A school that nearly was given the death penalty for harboring a pedophile, still plays a pedophiles music at their sporting events.
 

Beef Supreme

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So out of the many movies and sporting events this song is featured, this is the one that gets called out for it? What is it with this movie and the press? Are they that pissed that people like it?
 

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It seems like the media are trying to wring and squeeze every last drop of outrage out of this movie.

I thought the song didn't really work in the film, though. It's played while Joker is doing this elaborate dance down a stairway, and Rock & Roll Part 2 is not really a "dancing" kind of song. It's more for head-bobbing and fist-pumping. Joker's dance is such a notable part of his character, it's weird that they would set his biggest dance to a song that's really not all that dance-able.
 

Spork4000

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If you've been in a highschool marching band you've played this song. Most don’t know the name of the song, who wrote it, or who originally composed it. For me it’s just “the football song."
 

NoMoreTrolls

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You know what is even more disturbing?

Penn State still plays Gary Glitter's Rock And Roll Part 2 at Football games.

A school that nearly was given the death penalty for harboring a pedophile, still plays a pedophiles music at their sporting events.
To most Americans, it's just "that sports song"
People neither know nor particularly care about the problematic aspects of the people who make the culture they consume. Look at Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Polanski, Chris Brown... The list goes on. It's mostly ignorance, for sure, but even if you told people flat out "hey you know this song the school marching band is playing is by a pedophile" most people would maybe say "oh that's a shame" and move on with their day
 

Ash735

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He's rich, he can absolutely still get money in jail, they don't play by the same rules as the poor
HAH, Glitter's assets were taken away from him not long after the first news broke, he aint worth shit and he's been in and out of prison since cause he's a slab of shit who can't stop touching children.
 

muteKi

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So out of the many movies and sporting events this song is featured, this is the one that gets called out for it? What is it with this movie and the press? Are they that pissed that people like it?
I mean I feel like this is something that's more easily recognized by the public in Europe, where I understand most of the positive press for this movie has come from? So it's all kind of weird in that regard.
 

Raonak

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I mean the worst criticism I've heard from people who watched if thinking it was just ok nothing special and lots of people seem to think it's amazing so you'll probably at least enjoy it a little
I loved the dark knight, but besides that I don't really care too much about batman.

I do like the concept of a supervillian movie though, kinda surprised we don't get more of them considering the superhero movie trend.
 

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I mean I feel like this is something that's more easily recognized by the public in Europe, where I understand most of the positive press for this movie has come from? So it's all kind of weird in that regard.
In general the European press doesn't seem to have the same hate boner as the media in the US has for the movie; certainly not nearly the level of outrage bait or moral panic is coming from that side of the ocean
 

peteykirch

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To most Americans, it's just "that sports song"
People neither know nor particularly care about the problematic aspects of the people who make the culture they consume. Look at Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Polanski, Chris Brown... The list goes on. It's mostly ignorance, for sure, but even if you told people flat out "hey you know this song the school marching band is playing is by a pedophile" most people would maybe say "oh that's a shame" and move on with their day
Understandable. However an institution that was rocked by a pedophile scandel shouldn't be so tone deaf, and just take that song out of their library.
 

Polyh3dron

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It seems like the media are trying to wring and squeeze every last drop of outrage out of this movie.

I thought the song didn't really work in the film, though. It's played while Joker is doing this elaborate dance down a stairway, and Rock & Roll Part 2 is not really a "dancing" kind of song. It's more for head-bobbing and fist-pumping. Joker's dance is such a notable part of his character, it's weird that they would set his biggest dance to a song that's really not all that dance-able.
very true.

It almost seems like it was originally planned to be some other song that they couldn't get the rights secured for, and it had to be changed at the last minute.
 
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This guy is like, synonymous with the idea of turning out to be a pedo in England, so this whole thread seems sketch as fuck. Like the idea you'd see his name and not immediately cut the song is mad.
Americans have a very different relationship to this song. You heard it and still hear it everywhere when it comes to sports and no one can really name the singer. It's just ingrained in our pop culture now.
 

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Americans what the fuck! Stop putting pounds in the pockets of a pedo!
 

Coyote Starrk

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Americans have a very different relationship to this song. You heard it and still hear it everywhere when it comes to sports and no one can really name the singer. It's just ingrained in our pop culture now.
And that can be changed. Just because something has been used for a long time doesn't mean it's impossible to stop using it or that we should continue to use it.
 

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A school that nearly was given the death penalty for harboring a pedophile, still plays a pedophiles music at their sporting events.
I don't think they "nearly" got the death penalty. NCAA pretty much had their arm-twisted by all the bad media coverage.

Penn State got a fine and a slap on the wrist, and the sanctions imposed against them were quietly rescinded as soon as the press died down a couple years later. The NCAA even reinstated all the victories they were supposed to have wiped from the record -- they couldn't even be bothered to go through with the most inconsequential and symbolic of punishments. In retrospect I think it's clear they probably didn't actually want to do much of anything about the scandal.
 

Mondai

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I'm surprised at so many people who don't know about Gary Glitter , even I know about his crimes :O

Edit: Also, Fuck Penn State.
 

muteKi

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Penn State got a fine and a slap on the wrist, and the sanctions imposed against them were quietly rescinded as soon as the press died down a couple years later. The NCAA even reinstated all the victories they were supposed to have wiped from the record -- they couldn't even be bothered to go through with the most inconsequential and symbolic of punishments. In retrospect I think it's clear they probably didn't actually want to do much of anything about the scandal.
What, the NCAA, of all orgnizations...corrupt? Next you'll be telling me that public media gets regular donations from the Koch Bros., or that the NFL buries evidence of long-term physical harm caused by participation in their sport!! What is this world coming to
 

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The craziest part about Gary Glitter turning out to be a pedo is that his best song is literally called “Do you wanna touch me (oh yeah)”... no one could have seen this coming!

(Posting the Joan Jett version for obvious reasons)

Some highlights:
Cry at night
No one in sight
...
Every girl an' boy
Needs a little joy
...
Right or wrong
Don't it turn you on

Americans what the fuck! Stop putting pounds in the pockets of a pedo!
Didn’t Subway become the largest fast food chain in the US while Jared was their mascot?
 
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Schlep

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Good lord. This song is played at every middle school, high school, and college sport in the country. Outrage culture.
 

peteykirch

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I don't think they "nearly" got the death penalty. NCAA pretty much had their arm-twisted by all the bad media coverage.

Penn State got a fine and a slap on the wrist, and the sanctions imposed against them were quietly rescinded as soon as the press died down a couple years later. The NCAA even reinstated all the victories they were supposed to have wiped from the record -- they couldn't even be bothered to go through with the most inconsequential and symbolic of punishments. In retrospect I think it's clear they probably didn't actually want to do much of anything about the scandal.
The only reason the NCAA didn't get PSU the Death Penalty was because of the amount of people that would be directly affected by it. If PSU had to close up shop football wise for a year or two, so many people and businesses would've went bankrupt.

The NCAA didn't have the balls to punish PSU to the level they deserved.
 
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of course the moral panic over this film was completely overblown, most of the negative reaction at all imo minus some of the pushback to the director's comments on comedies and them banning press from the red carpet. Not everything has to be dismissed outright.

But something like this is a shame, you'd think someone would have flagged it somewhere down the line. he's in prison so wouldn't have much access to any royalties at least. I just don't get why people have to do frame in the context of what's gone on before. this is dissapointing in isolation
 
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WedgeX

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I’m pretty sure it’s been replaced over the last decade by the Black Keys. Because his crimes became more widely known.
 

tsampikos

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I'm sick of this manufactured outrage over this filum.

This all stinks of the Rockstar playbook of viral marketting.
 

abellwillring

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Had no clue that was a Gary Glitter song to be honest. It’s just something you hear at sporting events as far as I’d always known. Made sense within the context of the movie.
 

muteKi

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Didn’t Subway become the largest fast food chain in the US while Jared was their mascot?
We should have known something was up with the way he kept trying to get into smaller and smaller pants

(Posting the Joan Jett version for obvious reasons)
Semirelatedly, what happened to Jackie Fox was unconscionable. (I don't lay that at Jett's feet -- it's 100% on Kim Fowler -- though I do look askance at the way she's described her involvement in the event in interviews. I'm absolutely not going to hold someone who was probably 17 at the time herself responsible.)
 

burnsy

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Im not sure, this one seems an excuse to be outraged. Yes it's strange to include Glitters music in anything these days, I do agree with that point but not outrageous.

A more interesting point about Gary Glitters shunning is that while great, it does highlight how society has double standards with other convicted entertainers.