- Nov 1, 2017
ITT: Americans learn what it is like to be ignorant of the international offensive context of a common social reference.
Saw it, enjoyed it, the Glitter song was one of the more uncomfortable moments in the thing. They should take it out. You can criticise something like this and not have it be part of a conspiracy to bash the movie. Some things are a bit more important than comic book movie dick measuring contests.
I mean it might not even actually be ignorance, Roy Moore only barely lost his election despite being a pedo. Maybe Americans just really like pedos?
i believe that criticism of this movie, its politics and premise is valuable. but the end-game of criticism is not necessarily "don't engage with this thing at all". bad or problematic movies have good things to teach us if we look at them critically. I don't think that the people who began this all intended to create such a firestorm, but their voice has become so amplified that any nuance in what they intended to say just doesn't translate with the way they phrased their initial comments.
I detest comic book/superhero stuff, and even I want to see this film. You can't deny this is a really shitty fucking choice though, the ignorance excuse doesn't fly, I see the same shit written about black face.It was made by a director who lashed out at "woke culture" of course people are gonna go to bat for this movie, would it be the internet it that wasn't reason enough. Like I haven't heard many actual bad reviews but even if its a good movie people really need to chill out
I'm probably gonna see the movie too but yeah it is fucking tasteless and just oh whoopsies accidentally making a convicted pedophile money doesn't cut it as an excuse
I mean the worst criticism I've heard from people who watched if thinking it was just ok nothing special and lots of people seem to think it's amazing so you'll probably at least enjoy it a little
Wtf America? Jesus Christ
To most Americans, it's just "that sports song"
HAH, Glitter's assets were taken away from him not long after the first news broke, he aint worth shit and he's been in and out of prison since cause he's a slab of shit who can't stop touching children.
I mean I feel like this is something that's more easily recognized by the public in Europe, where I understand most of the positive press for this movie has come from? So it's all kind of weird in that regard.
I loved the dark knight, but besides that I don't really care too much about batman.
In general the European press doesn't seem to have the same hate boner as the media in the US has for the movie; certainly not nearly the level of outrage bait or moral panic is coming from that side of the ocean
Understandable. However an institution that was rocked by a pedophile scandel shouldn't be so tone deaf, and just take that song out of their library.To most Americans, it's just "that sports song"
People neither know nor particularly care about the problematic aspects of the people who make the culture they consume. Look at Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Polanski, Chris Brown... The list goes on. It's mostly ignorance, for sure, but even if you told people flat out "hey you know this song the school marching band is playing is by a pedophile" most people would maybe say "oh that's a shame" and move on with their day
very true.It seems like the media are trying to wring and squeeze every last drop of outrage out of this movie.
I thought the song didn't really work in the film, though. It's played while Joker is doing this elaborate dance down a stairway, and Rock & Roll Part 2 is not really a "dancing" kind of song. It's more for head-bobbing and fist-pumping. Joker's dance is such a notable part of his character, it's weird that they would set his biggest dance to a song that's really not all that dance-able.
Americans have a very different relationship to this song. You heard it and still hear it everywhere when it comes to sports and no one can really name the singer. It's just ingrained in our pop culture now.
Nah, the scene is definitely edited around the song in very tight synchronicity. I'd be shocked if it wasn't always on the top of the list for licensing.
And that can be changed. Just because something has been used for a long time doesn't mean it's impossible to stop using it or that we should continue to use it.
I don't think they "nearly" got the death penalty. NCAA pretty much had their arm-twisted by all the bad media coverage.
What, the NCAA, of all orgnizations...corrupt? Next you'll be telling me that public media gets regular donations from the Koch Bros., or that the NFL buries evidence of long-term physical harm caused by participation in their sport!! What is this world coming toPenn State got a fine and a slap on the wrist, and the sanctions imposed against them were quietly rescinded as soon as the press died down a couple years later. The NCAA even reinstated all the victories they were supposed to have wiped from the record -- they couldn't even be bothered to go through with the most inconsequential and symbolic of punishments. In retrospect I think it's clear they probably didn't actually want to do much of anything about the scandal.
Didn’t Subway become the largest fast food chain in the US while Jared was their mascot?
The only reason the NCAA didn't get PSU the Death Penalty was because of the amount of people that would be directly affected by it. If PSU had to close up shop football wise for a year or two, so many people and businesses would've went bankrupt.I don't think they "nearly" got the death penalty. NCAA pretty much had their arm-twisted by all the bad media coverage.
Penn State got a fine and a slap on the wrist, and the sanctions imposed against them were quietly rescinded as soon as the press died down a couple years later. The NCAA even reinstated all the victories they were supposed to have wiped from the record -- they couldn't even be bothered to go through with the most inconsequential and symbolic of punishments. In retrospect I think it's clear they probably didn't actually want to do much of anything about the scandal.
We should have known something was up with the way he kept trying to get into smaller and smaller pants
Semirelatedly, what happened to Jackie Fox was unconscionable. (I don't lay that at Jett's feet -- it's 100% on Kim Fowler -- though I do look askance at the way she's described her involvement in the event in interviews. I'm absolutely not going to hold someone who was probably 17 at the time herself responsible.)