For sure. I would imagine probably something like 75% of basketball and (American) football games play it. It's entirely ubiquitous in American pop and sporting culture. I would imagine 99% of people in America do not know he was involved in the song even if they know who he is and what he did.. it's just a song they know. I certainly had no clue it was his song and I'm a total Anglophile. Obviously it gives me pause now, but I do not believe this was a malicious decision.I wonder if they still play Hey Song/Rock N Roll Pt2 at most US sporting events?
It feels to me like people are really defensive about this movie and aren't willing to admit that it's a bit of a bad call to use a song written by a notorious paedophile. I liked the movie, but the film makers could have found a different song that worked just as well, there's nothing specific to the song that ties it to the narrative.
Glitter and the producer are the only credited songwriters though, so the Glitter band won't see a penny, unfortunately.The Glitter band was and is amazing.
They deserve the money for the banging tunes they created.
Fuck that cunt Gary right into space though.
Sorry I meant using the song.
Are we going to go after everyone who uses a Michael Jackson song?
I get that, and I fully support trying to avoid supporting people like this. My point is there is scum that benefit from every piece of entertainment. They shouldn't have used the song, but apparently it's played pretty prominently at sporting events here. I haven't seen the movie, so I'm not even sure what the song is. It feels like people really want to hate this movie and are looking for any way to do so. If we go over the actors, directors, and producers from blockbuster movies, you'll find people you don't want to support. And those big shots are making significantly more money than this guy is from a jail cell for one song in one scene of a movie
Glitter and the producer are the only credited songwriters though, so the Glitter band won't see a penny, unfortunately.
that may be true, but i would never make that jump, i dont like to assume the worst of people, and i know im wrong for doing that, because most truly dont care about a lot of things they should.
And this thread is about the latest use. The comic book movie which is selling well was certain to have more eyes on it.
This thread, once again, is about informing people of this fact.
People have been weirdly desperate to pin controversies to this film, I agree. And as I've already said ITT, I think the incel shooter fear mongering and 'alt right empowerment' takes were fucking stupid. It's a fairly tame movie about a very iconic character.
However, it's impossible for the film makers to have used a Gary Glitter song and not known he was a jailed pedophile and they really shouldn't have picked that song. Like as someone from the U.K. it's very surreal to see people excusing this
I mean Thor Ragnarok is more popular than Joker is, but we didn't have a thread about Jimmy page. Who is not in jail and is cashing checks.
No one is defending the shitstain who wrote the song, but if we were to dive into every song in every movie and who is getting royalties, etc... there are tons of scumbags.
This is kinda funny as I didn't even really know it as a Gary Glitter song. I heard it in the film and was like 'oh, it's that Doctor Who song. I didn't think this Doctor Who song was around then but anyway...'
For those who don't know what I'm talking about it is this:
Had no idea it was a cover or anything. Always thought the Doctor Who song was original until now.
In the repeats of a music show currently going on in the UK this has just topped the charts and been performed "live" in the studio and the video been shown in full. I don't think he'd get royalties from that so I don't know if he gets them from the film. I still think the use of the song in the film is very jarring and it made a lot of the cinema very uncomfortable when they realised what song it was.
Top of the pops
BBC4, maybe he doesn't get any royalties for Doctorin' the Tardis?What channel are repeats on? I'm not trying to catch you out or anything, genuinely curious as I've not seen any of his shit here for decades and I'm really surprised anyone would broadcast it
BBC4, maybe he doesn't get any royalties for Doctorin' the Tardis?
Lmao. CNN has been pumping out articles about the film daily.'Joker' is the latest case of commerce masquerading as art
New piece by the cnn. This movie truly doesn't deserve to be called art.
I'm pretty sure he will have received royalties if Doctorin' The Tardis was played on TV - The Timelords(/the KLF) mentioned having to give away most of the royalties to it in their book.In the repeats of a music show currently going on in the UK this has just topped the charts and been performed "live" in the studio and the video been shown in full. I don't think he'd get royalties from that so I don't know if he gets them from the film. I still think the use of the song in the film is very jarring and it made a lot of the cinema very uncomfortable when they realised what song it was.
BBC4, maybe he doesn't get any royalties for Doctorin' the Tardis?
Gary Glitter appeared on Top of The Pops to perform the Doctor Who song. He is almost certainly getting royalties for that performance, and probably the song itself:I'm pretty sure he will have received royalties if Doctorin' The Tardis was played on TV - The Timelords(/the KLF) mentioned having to give away most of the royalties to it in their book.
The part where this only became 'problematic' when this movie came out.Which part is grasping at straws? The part where it is a fact that Gary Glitter is a convicted pedophile or the part that his song is used and thus he is making money and being given a platform?
The part where this only became 'problematic' when this movie came out.
It's obvious what is happening here.
The part where this only became 'problematic' when this movie came out.
It's obvious what is happening here.
The part where this only became 'problematic' when this movie came out.
It's obvious what is happening here.
People need to stop assuming that because this comic book movie is important to them, that it is to everyone. This issue is more important than this movie.
Can we stop with this bullshit too tho? You know people can have a different opinion than you do on this, and not have a die hard boner for comic book movies. The notion that this issue is "righteous heroes condenming child rape" vs "comic book movie fanboys" is completely misguided, and condescending, and just makes this whole thing seem even more like a sanctimonious hate brigade for this dumbass batman spinoff movie.
Real talk tho, this IS an interesting topic, especially for US members who definitely know this song but probably had never heard of Gary Glitter until now. You can discuss this without putting people who disagree with you in boxes, and being overall condescending.
It is unfortunate that it happens to be THIS movie that has had a bunch of shitty faux outrage thrown at it already. I'm just saying, when you talk down to people like that and make assumptions this whole conversation comes off as disingenuous and in bad faith.I only respond like that to the people who feel the need to tell us how unfair this thread is to the movie. Look at who that was in response to, he thinks that the only reason we care about this is because we want some stupid internet points for bagging on a movie. Look at the first page of responses. They can't even process the fact that people are upset that a pedophile is given a platform that he shouldn't be. No, it has to be because of the movie. Even though this happens to be the latest movie with this song, so of course it'll come up.
It is unfortunate that it happens to be THIS movie that has had a bunch of shitty faux outrage thrown at it already. I'm just saying, when you talk down to people like that and make assumptions this whole conversation comes off as disingenuous and in bad faith.
Right but that's just you. The media, and a lot of this board in general, has been trying to make "Joker is an alt-right incel movie" a thing for a long time already. Now it's "Joker is an alt-right incel movie using pedophile music" and it just all comes off as self-righteous fart-huffing imo.There's not much I can do about how you parse my words.
How many people have posted in this thread, ignored the subject at hand, and declared that this thread shouldn't exist and that people are just trying to cancel this movie? What else other than "I don't care about the movie enough to try to sabotage it" can I say to that? I've reiterated what this thread is supposed to be about, and we still get people coming in and dropping their hot take.
It is unfortunate that it happens to be THIS movie that has had a bunch of shitty faux outrage thrown at it already. I'm just saying, when you talk down to people like that and make assumptions this whole conversation comes off as disingenuous and in bad faith.
Because I keep seeing those comments used to dismiss other people's opinions as well. Whatever though, I'm out, I'll just add a couple of you to my ignore list and move on with my life.Why do you keep jumping out as if the "comic book fan" comments are about you in particular? You made your point about not caring about the film abundantly clear throughout this thread.
It wasn't even a good choice of song for that scene and felt really out of place.
Right but that's just you. The media, and a lot of this board in general, has been trying to make "Joker is an alt-right incel movie" a thing for a long time already. Now it's "Joker is an alt-right incel movie using pedophile music" and it just all comes off as self-righteous fart-huffing imo.
So his expansive, cultural influencing discography should never be used again? I think using a song to invoke the cultural influence it had can divorce itself from the artist themselves.
I'm now borderline derailing though