Guardians of the Galaxy has a Jackson 5 song in it. Not only problematic because of MJ himself but his child abuser dad too.
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"Joker" paying royalties to convicted pedophile Gary Glitter because it features one of his songs (UPDATE: Nope)
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There is no way they didn't know about his history. He was one of the most popular Glam Rock artists in the 1970's in England and between his charges in the ate 90's, 2005 and recently after Jimmy Saville was outed there is no possibility they didn't know about him being a pedophile.
Where was all this outrage when this awful movie came out glorifying the music of wife-beater piece of shit John Lennon?
To be honest, I think Glitter is far, far worse. He is a serial paedophile with several documented cases of 10-11 year old girls and at least one attempt at seducing a girl under ten years old. In comparison, Jimmy Page had sex with a fourteen year old girl, which is just one year away from the age of consent here (where I live now, Sweden). Is it still wrong and a crime? Yes. But does it somehow feel less bad due to the age and number of girls? Yes.
Where was all this outrage when this awful movie came out glorifying the music of wife-beater piece of shit John Lennon?
randomly watched this last week, thought it was cute
The premise of this thread is less about denouncing Gary Glitter and more about denouncing Joker, to be fair.
Ummm that's certainly a take. We are ranking pedophilia now? Additionally, age of concent is 18 in cali, where i believe it all started.
If you want to put it that way.
Do I think multiple accounts/victims are worse than one? Yes.
Do I think that pre-pubescent is worse than on the verge of passing the age of consent where I live? Yes.
Your mileage may vary.
That'd remind me way too much of Better Call Saul's S3 finale (they went with Abba's Winner Takes it All).
Where was all this outrage when this awful movie came out glorifying the music of wife-beater piece of shit John Lennon?
Utter bollocks. Pretty clear you've not read it if you're choosing to believe this. Myself and most if not all of the people bringing this up as a point of contention couldn't give a shit about the film one way or another. If you want to handwave the fact that it's troubling that they used a song by a notorious serial child rapist, that's up to you, but it's not a good look. If you want to play the whataboutery game, start a thread about whatever film or show you want to compare it to, and I'll happily post in support. Can I suggest you look up glitter's crimes before you respond?
It's mental how many takes like these are in this thread.
A media-led fear mongering campaign about your movie does not make it okay for you to pay and endorse a man who is famously in jail for having sex with numerous children, whose music is never played in his country of origin.
I don't give a shit that Americans still love the song, or that other problematic artists also get celebrated. Or that this movie has been unfairly criticised for things outside its promotion of pedophiles. I just don't get why the fact that this is a problem needs spelling out.
I don't think he's getting out of prison until he's almost 90, he's in his mid seventies already, the money is in his bank account but he's only going to be spending it on a funeral or nursing care at this rate. i can see why people who don't really know about his old persona would care much about it, he's getting punished belatedly which is more than a lot of others do.
I don't care about this movie, but I'm talking about the OP and responding to the idea that no one was upset about Jimmy Page in Thor.
Based off of this:
I don't think we should be paying artists that are shit bags, but it's clear to me that this thread exists because of the current conversation about Joker, not because of any current conversation about Glitter. That's not a defense, just an observation. This movie is already under a lot of scrutiny for stuff like this, so that's why this is getting more visibility than your normal "Bad person's music in a new popular movie" concerns.
Nah, it's about a guy who some say raped 100s of kids getting paid. His song shouldn't be in the film at all.
Seriously the amount of whataboutism and defending of a film no one is attacking in this thread is disgusting.
I wrongly thought people on Era were better than this, but I was wrong.
I see you read my post. Even if you disagree with why I think this thread exists it's pretty clear I'm not defending a movie or complaining about "what about [other movie]". Don't be obtuse for the sake of dunking on a vague portion of the whole forum.
I didn't say you were or I would have said it.... am saying this thread is disgusting.
Considering how many times I read people posting their thoughts in the Joker OT and on reddit after seeing the movie mention Gary Glitter as being fucked up and out of place I do not think the people saying this is a conspiracy hit job against a comic book movie are very convincing.
Was the make-up they used in Joker animal tested? I'd like to know this. I tipped the Hollywood Reporter about this.
Real talk though, Gary was charged in 2015. They should have done a better job of vetting this and considered using another song. But no, I don't think we should boycott Warner Bros. now.
I didn't even know who this guy was until this thread. With that said, can they change it in the Blu-Ray?
His convictions are way older than that.
His child abuse imagery conviction was in 1999.
He was found guilty of having sex with ten and eleven year olds in 2006.
In 2008 he returned to the UK.
In 2012 there were further allegations.
He was found guilty in 2015.
This has been going on for two decades. It is very much not a recent thing.
If this was the only thing people brought up then people would take it more seriously.
The movie has been demonized for weeks with articles seemingly every day attacking it from new angles.
It's a boy who cried wolf situation and the waters have been so muddied that once the film was out and people saw it that a backlash formed against the manufactured media backlash. You cant blame people rolling their eyes at this point.
So things are only allowed to have one issue with it, otherwise all issues should be ignored?
This kind of leaps in logic is why people are rolling their eyes.
No, I am saying when you foster hytersia and fear mongering over what turned out to be nothing than any possible real issues brought up are going to fall by the way side because you've already spent your good faith and people are going to assume it is just more nonsense and it looks like an agenda.
pedophiles are bad no matter the agenda you think is being pushed
Well that information ensures I won't be watching, unless it gets changed for the home release. Why in the hell would they choose one of his songs? His rapes and assaults spanned decades, he never fucking stopped, even after being caught. Ughhhh this is making me so sick.
Wouldn't be surprised if the director put it on purpose for shits and giggles.
I was reacting to your "If this was the only thing people brought up then people would take it more seriously".
Maybe you should have worded that better, because as it stands what you wrote is incredibly eyeroll-worthy.
I live in Indonesia so I don't know at all about the song nor the person writing it.
At what scene does the song play?
At what scene does the song play?
Please point out any of the prior times I cried wolf on this topic.
I can believe that they didn't know. Gary Glitter is not a big name in the US and they probably don't google artist names for rape allegations (although maybe they should?). Are there an English people in this production though? They'd have known.
But it should be removed from the home release.
But it should be removed from the home release.
Kind of strange to isolate a single sentence and ignore the rest of what I wrote that put the sentence into the context of a boy who cried wolf situation.
I dont know who you are or how you are at all relevant to the current conversation.
So who are you suggesting was crying wolf? Because it seems like you're suggesting that that's all anyone criticising the inclusion of this song are doing.
If you read this thread you can see all my posts in it.
I saw the film and am judging it based on the content of the film, not on the nonsense media circus surrounding the film.
Depends on if you think there was a "manufactured media backlash" I guess. Some people want to feel persecuted for enjoying a movie for some reason.
Here's the thing. You are currently looking at a wolf and saying "well since there haven't been wolves before, this must not be one." You came into this thread ready to shoot the premise of the thread down because that's been the conditioned response. Your mistake was that after seeing that it is a credible and understandable gripe with the situation, you doubled down, and downplayed the fact that it is something worth caring about.
Nobody is asking you to not like the movie. The more people who understand what a scumbag Gary Glitter is, the less often we will hear this mediocre song. Whether Todd Phillips knew about and wanted to stir the pot with this choice is another conversation.
And as I stated I was planning on seeing it and have changed my mind purely because of this issue. I don't think I have posted in a single other thread about it.
Several people from work are going, but I posted in the Slack thread why I wouldn't be going. I think they are going tomorrow.
An interesting thing to think about is whether the people who claim that people only care about this issue because it's in this particular movie would also be saying it doesn't matter and defending the choice to include this song, if it were in a different movie.
Update
Yeah, I was just coming here to post this. Apparently he sold off the rights more than 20 years ago. Of course, you can still object to using his music, but at least the specific concern of royalties going into his pocket appears to be a non-issue.
