It's not self-congratulatory enough to be Oscar bait.This looks terrible. It reeks of ‘Oscar bait’ from the trailer. It’s also one of the most unnecessary films of all time - I don’t want or need to know the Joker became a psychotic killer because his mum was ill and he was bullied at work. It ruins the character and reduces everything about him.
Did you actually read the article? It's not. Entertainment regularly uses mental illness as a quick explanation for why a character is villainous; which reinforces stereotypes about people who do struggle with mental illness, even though they are more likely to be a victim than a perpetrator. It's often used to describe people in the real world who engage in criminality because it's easier to accept as an answer than the simple fact that some people are just evil, and most of us possess the capability to cross that line. It also ignores how many people actually do suffer from mental illness by presenting them as some kind of aberration.
And that doesn’t seem to be what this movie’s doing. It looks like he’s a victim for a long time before he turns to crime and murder. The Joker in The Dark Knight was a character who was simply pure evil, but not this depiction. The movie to me looks like it’s criticizing how places like Gotham deal with mental illness. He’s not simply evil because of mental illness here.
The article does specifically state that this could be the case with this movie; it uses the fact that the early part of the trailer focuses on his mental illness as a jumping off point to talk about a larger issue.And that doesn’t seem to be what this movie’s doing. It looks like he’s a victim for a long time before he turns to crime and murder. The Joker in The Dark Knight was a character who was simply pure evil, but not this depiction. The movie to me looks like it’s criticizing how places like Gotham deal with mental illness.
This is my main fear of the movie, although the trailer made it seem like the character will be more humanized than anything. I'm really, really hoping for a very human story and his mental illness is used to more closely bring him down to earth.
Yea I noticed that too and I like it. It looks comical to me, something a clown would do, which is weird because what does a comical run look like? And yet he somehow pulled it off.
This really got me.
This seems worthy of a new thread? Also, media-illiterate morons on the internet were always going to flock to this fucking thing. That should have been expected.
Oh god, please don't tell me the writers took Gamer Joker seriously?
We live in a society.
And I got blasted here months ago for saying that the Joker could be a little too inspirational to some people with this movieBigots, misogynists, homophobes, the alt-right and incels are always inundated by a significant number of people who see the Joker as an aspirational figure. You'd hope the creators of any media featuring the Joker would internalize that and stay aware of how they present and frame the character.
Heh Hype probably blinded a few people. Though in general critically thinking about what exactly a movie can reinforce in an audience is something many people want to ignore. More people need to come to terms with the idea that media doesn't make anyone do anything but it is capable of fortifying the ideals and mindsets already present in a person.
That sounds like a great premise for a movie about mental illness but I'm unsure whether having Joker being the centre of that story is a good idea.Such bulshit
From what I could gather from the story:
He is mentally ill, probably has been for all of his life. His mother is also mentally ill (probably hereditary), and that's why she goes to Arkham.
Arthur is already very lonely, lives only with his mother, and after she passes away (when he cries in the subway / smashes his head in the phoneboot), he snaps.
Not because of his ill per se, but because society was fucking shit to him. We see people mistreating him during the trailer.
If the movie critices the way mentally ill people are treated by society, how is that a bad thing? My cousin is mentally ill and sometimes I wonder how bad is his life.
Almost no friends, no job, being bullied for all of his life ...
If they turn a spotlight on this subject It would be a plus to me.