Or visiting him after killing his parents.
There's a childlike innocence too with this depiction of the Joker that will make his fall much more tragic.
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JOKER - Teaser Trailer
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Nope, it's one of the small details I noticed too. The flicker of sadness after the smile. Phoenix is an acting god.
Did you actually read the article? It's not. Entertainment regularly uses mental illness as a quick explanation for why a character is villainous; which reinforces stereotypes about people who do struggle with mental illness, even though they are more likely to be a victim than a perpetrator. It's often used to describe people in the real world who engage in criminality because it's easier to accept as an answer than the simple fact that some people are just evil, and most of us possess the capability to cross that line. It also ignores how many people actually do suffer from mental illness by presenting them as some kind of aberration.
And that doesn't seem to be what this movie's doing. It looks like he's a victim for a long time before he turns to crime and murder. The Joker in The Dark Knight was a character who was simply pure evil, but not this depiction. The movie to me looks like it's criticizing how places like Gotham deal with mental illness. He's not simply evil because of mental illness here.
The article does specifically state that this could be the case with this movie; it uses the fact that the early part of the trailer focuses on his mental illness as a jumping off point to talk about a larger issue.
Also, the tweet in question explicitly says "if" and asks a question. It's surprisingly not clickbaity at all. Again, is anyone reading the article?
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OK. Guessing he
takes the place of Joe Chill like he did in the Keaton movie
Such bulshit
From what I could gather from the story:
He is mentally ill, probably has been for all of his life. His mother is also mentally ill (probably hereditary), and that's why she goes to Arkham.
Arthur is already very lonely, lives only with his mother, and after she passes away (when he cries in the subway / smashes his head in the phoneboot), he snaps.
Not because of his ill per se, but because society was fucking shit to him. We see people mistreating him during the trailer.
If the movie critices the way mentally ill people are treated by society, how is that a bad thing? My cousin is mentally ill and sometimes I wonder how bad is his life.
Almost no friends, no job, being bullied for all of his life ...
If they turn a spotlight on this subject It would be a plus to me.
Ahh kk.
I hope they down the angle of him being the kind of criminal all the other gangsters tell thier kids about
This is my main fear of the movie, although the trailer made it seem like the character will be more humanized than anything. I'm really, really hoping for a very human story and his mental illness is used to more closely bring him down to earth.
Yea I noticed that too and I like it. It looks comical to me, something a clown would do, which is weird because what does a comical run look like? And yet he somehow pulled it off.
Anarchy Graphics real worried someone will steal this.
After all, we do live in a society.
This really got me.
From someone that has been dealing with panic attacks, overwhelming anxiety, clinical depression and social phobia for years (of course, while doing treatment and slowly/painfully getting better), i do believe this movie will generate a lot of very important discussions about how media should tackle these sensitive topics and the dangers of potentializing dangerous behaviours through outside validation.
Feels like they nailed the portrayal of someone that have been over an insane amount of stress for a long time, and, from all fronts possible. The subtle yet effective expressions of someone's who seems to be ready to snap at any time, is completely unnerving, relatable in a level that scares the hell out of me.
It's hard, very hard, but i really hope we can give credits to the filmmakers, considering it's a very powerful study of character, even while being one that's very hard to swallow.
Of course, seeking professional help is always the best course of action and i'm hopeful that the movie will contextualize why in this specific case it was simply too much for Arthur, with so little to compensate. This world is way too big and it's important to paint a picture for this specific perspective, otherwise people are doomed to commit similar, irreparable mistakes.
This is still unsubstantiated, so I didn't think it was thread-worthy, but a leaked script of Joker may be going around, and it's not great.
Original tweet:
Some more context:
Some responses from people who would be in a position to see a leaked script:
Original tweet:
Some more context:
Some responses from people who would be in a position to see a leaked script:
This seems worthy of a new thread? Also, media-illiterate morons on the internet were always going to flock to this fucking thing. That should have been expected.
Oh god, please don't tell me the writers took Gamer Joker seriously?
Anyone who saw that trailer would know that the movie would glorify its protagonist, on a certain level. And the superficial is what people with that inclination would inevitably glom onto. Just like those who argue Light is the hero in Death Note.
The importance, I think, comes from the nuance. Surely, while conveying a sympathetic story from the perspective of the villain protagonist, there are substantial elements which properly underline the fact that he's not a good person, and admonish his actions.
The importance, I think, comes from the nuance. Surely, while conveying a sympathetic story from the perspective of the villain protagonist, there are substantial elements which properly underline the fact that he's not a good person, and admonish his actions.
Bigots, misogynists, homophobes, the alt-right and incels are always inundated by a significant number of people who see the Joker as an aspirational figure. You'd hope the creators of any media featuring the Joker would internalize that and stay aware of how they present and frame the character.
And I got blasted here months ago for saying that the Joker could be a little too inspirational to some people with this movie
Heh Hype probably blinded a few people. Though in general critically thinking about what exactly a movie can reinforce in an audience is something many people want to ignore. More people need to come to terms with the idea that media doesn't make anyone do anything but it is capable of fortifying the ideals and mindsets already present in a person.
Not making any solid judgment calls but I just hope that when I'm about to buy my ticket, I won't hear about any "Joker did nothing wrong" type shit from people who end up seeing the movie.
This trailer played for me before Endgame and whether it turns out to be good or not I appreciate the fact that DC are making their movies visually striking as opposed to the MCU's very flat, grey and soft approach.
That sounds like a great premise for a movie about mental illness but I'm unsure whether having Joker being the centre of that story is a good idea.