- Oct 25, 2017
Seemed pretty clear to me he'd made up his mind about stopping it and was looking for an excuse to not go through with stopping ascension. If he was really still weighing his options he wouldn't have told them everything while there was anything they could do to take the decision out of his hands.Also weird was that the Librarian didn't have an advanced death prevention system in place over Moira with multiple redundancies. Like, literally placing her in a Matrix-movie-style pod or something. All it took was wolverine going plus-ultra for a second and your species' plan for godhood is ended. It makes so little sense that my head-cannon now has to be that the Librarian secretly or subconsciously hoped for a slip up because of his apprehension surrounding ascension was that great.
No, Irene set Moira on her current path and the one she's been following since life IV. They have the same end goals.
Agreed. The Librarian also seemed pretty confident he was fast enough to avoid being hit by mutants at all. I don't believe for a second wolverine managed to tag him by surprise. He had simply made his decision and given up.Seemed pretty clear to me he'd made up his mind about stopping it and was looking for an excuse to go through with stopping ascension. If he was really still weighing his options he wouldn't have told them everything while there was anything they could do to take the decision out of his hands.
Unless your common goal is to give her tons of people to eat and give her power and you actually don't care about anything and you just like getting stepped on by a vampire goddess I don't see how
I'm starting to lean this way too that he gave them the opportunity for their plan
So here's a thought:
Based on how her powers work, Moira literally cannot die before they become active when she turns 13 if she chooses not to.
Because time follows the path it's supposed to when she's not actively trying to change it.
Moira is supposed to live into her seventies in her baseline timeline and has made it past 13 in every single preceding timeline. Meaning that in lives 10, 11, and beyond, all she has to do to ensure she lives until her X-Gene becomes active is... nothing.
So for Destiny's prediction to be correct, Moira has to choose to die without her powers. That or be forced to through circumstances growing out of whatever situation she's engineered.
What I'm saying is: Moira X is the last Moira because the right choice, if this timeline turns out to be the one where mutants don't necessarily win, but also don't lose, is for her to die without her powers and not live an 11th life. Because "the right choice at the end" is to preserve the timeline she took ten lifetimes to build, since she knows the eleventh is the last possible one.
This might also explain why she's so opposed to any precogs, especially Destiny, being around. She has perfect recall of her past lives, which means she still knows how to brew up a batch of mutant cure. She doesn't want to run the risk of Destiny flipping her shit with only partial understanding of Moira's intent.
One thing that confuses me about this whole series so far is that it means Xavier has been knowledgeable about Moira's info the whole time we've known him? So we take all the failures so far as him still following his dream and not going her way until just recently? Seems weird. And Magneto has known for such a long time, even when he and Xavier where butting heads? Doesn't click for me.
Yes and no.One thing that confuses me about this whole series so far is that it means Xavier has been knowledgeable about Moira's info the whole time we've known him? So we take all the failures so far as him still following his dream and not going her way until just recently? Seems weird. And Magneto has known for such a long time, even when he and Xavier where butting heads? Doesn't click for me.
I believe the exact year of the Xavier/Magneto schism is noted on the timeline, but I don't have it handy.
So you did, apologies for missing it:
The way I see it, it's before Charles formed the X-Men. They haven't been going through the motions all these years, Magneto's genuinely been on his own path and probably only got on board for keeps some time after Genosha. Or after House of M. Meanwhile, Charles has been resisting giving up on his dream while still also laying the groundwork for the plan.
Yes, this is true, but should she die in life 10, and reincarnate in life 11 with the intent of doing something that was a threat to Destiny, Destiny will kill her before she turns 13. I don't think this one is all that likely because Moira seems to be interested in avoiding the genocide of the mutant and human races here. But it is possible.So you did, apologies for missing it:
1. Destiny's out because her intention, at least as I read it, was to kill her after her powers manifested if she was going to be a threat. The danger there being that Destiny only saw her having 10 or 11 so she'd be wasting her limited lives getting merc'd by Destiny repeatedly.
That's the thing- the Phalanxes/Titans/Dominions are things that are a constant, they always exist. Life 6 ended with advanced humanity and machines intentionally calling the Phalanx to Earth in an attempt to join with them, not exactly realizing this would mean the complete annihilation of life on earth. The Dominion exists outside of spacetime, so if a phalanx or dominion were to become aware of Moira in THIS life (Life X) it could obliterate her in the past before her powers manifest, whether she keeps her powers or not. The dominion is stated to be godlike with no limitations. The Phalanx/Dominion are the ultimate Big Bad for the Xmen here, since there's no way to kill or even injure it via conventional means but it will be VERY interested in wiping out Moira and presumably earth itself if it discovers she exists.
it's comics. Anything is possible. Destiny's powers it must be clarified worked just fine on Moira *once she knew what to look for.*3. Time travel might work, but only if the functionality of Moira's powers (things play out as they should when she isn't actively interfering) can be overridden by time travel. Her powers already interact abnormally with Destiny's. Who knows how they'd affect time travel
I don't see the two being related. Sabretooth is going to be restrained somewhere in Krakoa- in exile but helpless and aware of what happens to him until such time as Xavier thinks he has an opportunity to redeem himself. Someone else mentioned this is probably a good opportunity to reboot "exiles" as something else down the line and I think there's a lot to this.House/Powers was good. It’s Hickman so I don’t expect any of this to be solved until 5 years from now (if ever).
the one curious connection between Nimrod and Xavier that I want to see more of is the similarities between the stasis that Sabertooth was forced into in Krakoa, and the stasis pod that Nimrod uses to collect mutant data. I doubt that was unintentional.
I'm gonna give them all a fair shot. So one or two issues of each to start. But I am most excited for Marauders, New Mutants and Excalibur.
I'm all in. Pull list looking real heavy, but I will say having weekly X-Conversations here has been a real treat and I'm looking forward to continuing it with you all.
I'm grabbing all of them. Not exactly sure which one I have the highest hopes for - maybe Excalibur?
All of them.
God that was a great time to collect x-men. I remember how exciting AoA was when I was a teen. Damn.
I've been exclusively reading Marvel on Marvel Unlimited for the last few years - until this event. Now I've got to decide how much to keep up weekly. Most interested in X-Men (HIckman writing, Cyclops seems to be the main character) and Mauraders. Fallen Angels as a concept really intrigues me, as it's something that was pretty much ignored during Hox/PoX, but I'm not that into the mutants in it. I'm totally lost on this whole Psylocke in another body thing.
I very rarely actually ever look at floppies anymore these days, instead I'm building a sizable hardcover collection. So going back to floppies for this is pretty damn special.