So Maker just showed up in Future Foundation so anyone who still had there bets on Maker being Xavier can probably cash in there chips now.
So Maker just showed up in Future Foundation so anyone who still had there bets on Maker being Xavier can probably cash in there chips now.
Great issue, very excited for what comes next.
I hope that Moira I- X Timeline shows up on here to really examine it.
Awesome issue. Can't wrap my head around reincarnation being a mutant power though.
Awesome issue. Can't wrap my head around reincarnation being a mutant power though.
Thanks. Knew about immortality but didnt know that time travel was also a mutant powerIt's basically serial immortality, ie when you die you are instead reborn in a new body. Just with mixed in time travel.
THere are both immortal mutants and time traveling mutants so basically she just has a very limited form of both those powers.
So how does Moira meeting Xavier at age 17 in life 10 and House of X at age 50 mesh with the 10 year timeline between Moira meeting Xavier and House of X shown in PoX?
Also I'm not really an X-Men buff but were the Magneto and Apocalypse timelines supposed to be House of M and Age of Apocalypse? I'm guessing no since nobody has brought that up yet and people here seem to have read a whole lot more X-Men than me.
that is easy. Um. Okay actually that is wierd if you consider year 1 to be the year he met Moria. But based on what we have discussed here I think year one would be the actual formation of the X-Men aka X-Men #1. But considering the placement of things like the birth of Proteus the formation of the X-Men is more likely around when she was 42 or 43.
You are indeed right. Good catch.But PoX #1 opens with Moira meeting Charles at the fair and it's explicitly labeled as X0, and that event is on the life 10 timeline in HoX #2 at year 17, which is 35 years before House of X according to that timeline. 🤔
Hickman is whispering sweet nothings and grand tales into our ears and we keep begging for more weekly
we know this isn't true though.
Life 1: Moira lives as a normal human. becomes a schoolteacher, has kids, dies at age 74. Never meets Xavier.
Life 2: Moira's life diverges, Meets Xavier in school but has no personal relationship with him. Later sees him on television announcing that he is a mutant. Hops on a plane and dies when her plane crashes into the ocean.
Life 3: Moira seeks out Xavier at Oxford. Decides not to reveal anything she knows or what she is to him. At this point she considers them both to be suffering from a disease, sets about to cure it. Moira is killed by Destiny, Mystique, and Pyro and warned explicitly by Destiny not to oppose the mutant cause in any timeline ever again or she'll be killed for it.
Life 4: Moira seeks out Xavier, starts the X-men with him. Xavier and Moira are eventually wiped out by Sentinels.
Life 5: Moira seeks out Xavier a full ten years earlier than they were supposed to meet, and opens her mind to him. Xavier gathers a substantially larger crew of mutants than he typically does in the Xavier School timelines, builds a legion and a paradise city. Everyone is wiped out again when adaptive Sentinels come for them.
Life 6: ???
Life 7: Moira doesn't seek Xavier at all- spends this life becoming an assassin dedicated to wiping out the Trask bloodline. Someone else inevitably makes sentinels at the same point in human history. Moira is killed.
Life 8: Moira doesn't seek Xavier, seeks Magneto instead. Magneto is stopped by Earth's superhumans and Moira dies in prison.
Life 9: Mora doesn't seen Xavier OR Magneto, but seeks out Apocalypse. Apocalypse kills Xavier and Magneto. This timeline results in a war without end against Sentinels. Moira apparently dies at some point in the far future in this war, as she appears to be infected with the same techno-organic virus Apocalypse has as his mate/partner.
Life 10: Moira returns to Xavier to try something "truly revolutionary." This is the current timeline.
The only one of these in which we get this bizarre, strange "Maker" version of Xavier is Life 10. Whatever she tells him in the other lives, it's not this.
edit: the "revolutionary" idea seems to be obvious.
Xavier, Magneto, and Apocalypse all have a dream or vision of how mutantkind survives. Xavier's is peaceful coexistence, Magneto's is separation (and perhaps dominance of) humanity, and Apocalypse's is survival of the fittest.
Moira is the only entity that has seen the result of all three dreams, and they end in failure. All three heard what she had to say and believed her when approached.
Xavier isn't aggressive enough. Despite his best efforts his school and cities are passively slaughtered by Sentinels.
Magneto has the aggression and drive to take the fight to the humans before Sentinels become a factor- but he lacks the power to do so on his own, and can't coalition build. He is opposed by Xavier's mutants and earth's heroes, and fails.
Apocalypse has power to spare, but his scenario results in a state of constant war where mutants survive- but no one thrives in a state of endless war.
What we have NOT seen in her 9+1 lives though is a scenario where ALL THREE combine their efforts. I'm guessing the "revolutionary" option is a fusion of the dreams of Magneto, Xavier, and Apocalypse where all three coexist.
Thank you!
So how does Moira meeting Xavier at age 17 in life 10 and House of X at age 50 mesh with the 10 year timeline between Moira meeting Xavier and House of X shown in PoX?
Also I'm not really an X-Men buff but were the Magneto and Apocalypse timelines supposed to be House of M and Age of Apocalypse? I'm guessing no since nobody has brought that up yet and people here seem to have read a whole lot more X-Men than me.
But PoX #1 opens with Moira meeting Charles at the fair and it's explicitly labeled as X0, and that event is on the life 10 timeline in HoX #2 at year 17, which is 35 years before House of X according to that timeline. 🤔
It does say "Year Ten. The World"
Maybe it has to do with the artificial time properties inside The World of the Weapon Plus Program
as i said to a friend, i basically read that as Hickman calling it the "even i aint touching that shit" decadeWhat an issue! Moira X is like the perfect retcon and the whole premise had me engrossed.
and yet my favorite moment was labeling everything after New Avengers/Astonishing X-men "The Lost Decade"
Honestly, we do. After the shit we've had to put up with in X-Men books for years now.
X-Men in general....(Looks at Fox)Honestly, we do. After the shit we've had to put up with in X-Men books for years now.
as i said to a friend, i basically read that as Hickman calling it the "even i aint touching that shit" decade
Honestly, we do. After the shit we've had to put up with in X-Men books for years now.
I kinda wondered if it was the lost decade because it was when hope was lost.
Though my joke is that's why it's only been 10 years since the X-Men formed... They erased 10 years.
It would be in her best interest to lie to Moira. It forces Moira to make the most of every life, and really REALLY think about what is most important to her. In the timeline where Pyro killed her, she hadn't fully thought out creating the cure. If she had a limited number of tries, she'd be more likely to do more drastic things to survive.
Manhattan becomes addicted to fucking with supermans past, he is now the villain.
oh definitely.I suppose it's significant that Hickman glossed over Moira's sixth life and didn't show us how her ninth with Apocalypse ended?
Though I guess the Danger Room turned into a mutant in Whedon's run so there may be mutant machines already.
I was laughing at just how many interesting storylines Hickman was seemingly throwing away or glossing over. Though I definitely think many of them can be explored further in the future, I wonder what storytelling method will be used.I need me a mini of some of those timelines. This was my favorite one so far, that third life was horrific.
I read it in my car this morning. I legit said "WHAT?" out loud when I read
In the big graph of Moira lives I noticed that the mutants manifestation only happens in 4 of her timelines at the age of 13 if I'm looking at it correctly