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Jonathan Hickman's X-Men |OT| Adaptation or Dominance(Open Spoilers, Gambit is the Witness)

How should we tag spoilers?

  • Day of release spoilers are fine

    Votes: 109 51.7%
  • Give each issue a one week spoiler tag

    Votes: 65 30.8%
  • sPoiLEr tAGs fOR eVerYThinG

    Votes: 14 6.6%
  • No spoiler tags at all-even for speculation

    Votes: 23 10.9%

  • Total voters
    211
  • Poll closed .

devenger

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
875
All of the Jean regression stuff proves this isnt 616 or theyre clones or both. Hickman wouldnt nerf her like that.

Whats striking is the contrast between that scene and the one on top of our very own thread.
 

caliph95

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,217
All of the Jean regression stuff proves this isnt 616 or theyre clones or both. Hickman wouldnt nerf her like that.

Whats striking is the contrast between that scene and the one on top of our very own thread.
Yeah her character and still being marvel girl makes more sense that way

Hickman is too beholden to continuity for that mistake
 
Mar 27, 2019
118
The weird idea I've had kicking around in my head is that we could to see a retcon of Giant Size #1: the X-men never left Krakoa. Krakoa didn't send Scott back to Xavier to bring more mutants, but instead sent an exact copy and kept the original to feed on. And when the new team came, Krakoa captured them and sent copies out with false memories. The X-men we've known all these years have been Krakoan copies (even Wolverine, because Krakoa can make adamantium, because why the heck not).

And Charles knew this all along, because this was part of the plan. Moira, too. Including the whole Deadly Genesis arc.

By the end of HoxPox, we'll get the original mutants back, with their copy's memories returned to them by Xavier somehow.
I dunno I can’t imagine Hickman is dumb enough to enact clone saga 2.0
 

Harpoon

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,683
There's an X-Men teaser for Marvel's Incoming comic, which is setting up a bunch of stuff for 2020:

 

Spoit

Member
Oct 28, 2017
642
All of the Jean regression stuff proves this isnt 616 or theyre clones or both. Hickman wouldnt nerf her like that.

Whats striking is the contrast between that scene and the one on top of our very own thread.
I mean, we remember what he did to cykes at the end of time runs out, right?
 

Miamiwesker

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,972
Miami
Another great issue but I must say I can’t wait for powers, I like the full mystery time line issues more than the more traditional stories when clearly they don’t matter. Sure everyone died... so, we know they are still coming back. Also it does the whole since these deaths don’t really matter let’s have them die in a really basic way. The X-men have battled space gods, traveled through time, fought the most powerful mutants and survived all of it. But a few scientists and guards in a space station and they all die? Which is why so many think they are weak clones.

Now it has some amazing moments, the wolverine stuff is incredible. But I’m ready to get back to the mystery and time travel goodness.
 

Manmademan

Member
Aug 6, 2018
5,126
Another great issue but I must say I can’t wait for powers, I like the full mystery time line issues more than the more traditional stories when clearly they don’t matter. Sure everyone died... so, we know they are still coming back. Also it does the whole since these deaths don’t really matter let’s have them die in a really basic way. The X-men have battled space gods, traveled through time, fought the most powerful mutants and survived all of it. But a few scientists and guards in a space station and they all die? Which is why so many think they are weak clones.

Now it has some amazing moments, the wolverine stuff is incredible. But I’m ready to get back to the mystery and time travel goodness.
Eh...husk and archangel died in an explosion that shredded a chunk of space station and their starship. This wounded everyone else.

Mystique was blown out of an airlock into deep space.

Monet got killed from being swarmed with armed guards in power suits

Kurt and Logan teleported unprotected into space and were incinerated by solar radiation.

Cyclops got shot with nano sentinels that shut down his powers then blasted in the skull

Jean got torn apart by a half dozen gigantic sentinel drones with more coming.

None of this screams "clone." Way less killed way more Xmen during Rosenbergs run.
 

Miamiwesker

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,972
Miami
Eh...husk and archangel died in an explosion that shredded a chunk of space station and their starship. This wounded everyone else.

Mystique was blown out of an airlock into deep space.

Monet got killed from being swarmed with armed guards in power suits

Kurt and Logan teleported unprotected into space and were incinerated by solar radiation.

Cyclops got shot with nano sentinels that shut down his powers then blasted in the skull

Jean got torn apart by a half dozen gigantic sentinel drones with more coming.

None of this screams "clone." Way less killed way more Xmen during Rosenbergs run.
Come on, a team of A list X-men are going to die to a bunch of nobodies. This is a trope done in lots of stories where death isn’t permanent and used in a way to further the true plot. The deaths are quickly done even though those characters have survived 100000 times worse situations just so we can move the plot to the real danger where stakes matter. While the issue still did it in a cool way, this story had no bite because we all know they are still going to be alive.
 

Miamiwesker

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,972
Miami
Well ofc they'll eventually come back, but how does that ruin the story?
No no it doesn’t ruin the story. I’m just saying it’s not all that dramatic. These last two issues have not been as interesting as the big world building ones to me where crazy bombs were dropping all over. It’s great to get into characters but they were used almost as props to just get to the next crazy time line moment.
 

bawjaws

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,150
Come on, a team of A list X-men are going to die to a bunch of nobodies. This is a trope done in lots of stories where death isn’t permanent and used in a way to further the true plot. The deaths are quickly done even though those characters have survived 100000 times worse situations just so we can move the plot to the real danger where stakes matter. While the issue still did it in a cool way, this story had no bite because we all know they are still going to be alive.
No no it doesn’t ruin the story. I’m just saying it’s not all that dramatic. These last two issues have not been as interesting as the big world building ones to me where crazy bombs were dropping all over. It’s great to get into characters but they were used almost as props to just get to the next crazy time line moment.
Yeah, I agree with you here. Personally, I'm totally and completely done with the whole "Let's watch a bunch of heroes die" false dramatic device: like most other things in comics, it's been overdone to death. I mean, it was genuinely shocking and interesting back in Days of Future Past but that was nearly 40 years ago and we've had so many "alternate future" diversions since then that it just loses all impact. And then there's shit like Old Man Logan which was basically snuff porn for comics fans.

And that's before we even get to the whole issue of comic characters who really do die not actually staying dead because $$$$$$$$$$
 

xyla

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,037
Germany
Box/Pox #3 are read. Late again, but whatever.

I'm thinking the flowers that are introduced in #1 will have to come back with some meaning before this run is over, right?
We have seen an abundance of portals by now, but what of the flower that protects from any insight even in krakoa?
I bet that's a bubble where to cloning station is - or where the real versions of the X-Men are hiding while the clones go on suicide missions.
 

MrMegaPhoenix

Member
Oct 27, 2017
29
Box/Pox #3 are read. Late again, but whatever.

I'm thinking the flowers that are introduced in #1 will have to come back with some meaning before this run is over, right?
We have seen an abundance of portals by now, but what of the flower that protects from any insight even in krakoa?
I bet that's a bubble where to cloning station is - or where the real versions of the X-Men are hiding while the clones go on suicide missions.
With the Incoming teaser having a flower in it and the spoiler nature (which we don't know) surrounding that young mutant Fauna (not Flora, but Fauna), I think the flowers are going to be much more important than they already are.

But with this last issue, it feels like everything I assumed was wrong (since it was "too easy" to assume there was a cop-out coming). I dunno, feels kinda disappointing that the build up to attack the station is "oh they are clones" or "oh this isn't the main reality". I know we'll get answers and im guessing they will be satisfactory, I just wish the journey was more than two issues that largely amount to "lol the x-men died but it wasn't for realsies so its all good" :(
 
Oct 29, 2017
1,466
Finally read it earlier today and after the last two issues not really exciting me this was a really good one even being spoiled about the ending.
 

OmniGamer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
527
I think "Jean" is a 1st gen "Chimera" (Grown in the Mars habitat, single DNA clone, trained up to 16yo, then sent to Krakoa)...and I think "M" is a 2nd Gen Chimera (dual DNA clone, explains her Penance form ability)






And in an issue that makes it a point to describe the location of practically every scene, that opening scene with Xavier and the pods hatching is not labeled...I think it's on Mars