I thought Logan was the best at what he didIt's weird that this is the big, time-line defining moment, and they sent one ship and like seven people. And not even really the best people for the job.
I thought Logan was the best at what he didIt's weird that this is the big, time-line defining moment, and they sent one ship and like seven people. And not even really the best people for the job.
Phoniciple!!!! Glad you're enjoying itAgreed. Finally something topped that Powers of X issue with Nimrod vs Apocalypse.
I was gonna wait for trades but too impatient to see what fuckery hickman does with mutants.
I understand! Every Wednesday at the comic store I'm likeI was gonna wait for trades but too impatient to see what fuckery hickman does with mutants.
Digital for this. Ready at midnight. Don't even need to put on pants.
Digital for this. Ready at midnight. Don't even need to put on pants.
Digital for this. Ready at midnight. Don't even need to put on pants.
It's weird that this is the big, time-line defining moment, and they sent one ship and like seven people. And not even really the best people for the job.
Scott said he assembled a team of volunteers. It was a suicide mission from the start, they knew the odds. Those people volunteered for that, although I won't think more would do. Maybe in the great Xavier's plan those are the expandables best suited for the job. There are more battles coming.
exactly which is why so many died in the 616 Terrigan mists. Plus the mutant population post Hope and AvX should be in the 1000's at least.
This reality having 198 mutants to implies a lot of post Decimation didn't occur here like it did in the 616. Also, the changes in powers, personalities, and certain people being alive who were dead just prior to this storyline.
With that said all the best X-Men storylines involve the team dying, multiple realities, and dark futures. I'm glad Hickman recognized that and leaned into the team strengths. Its been a long time since I felt anything during a X-men comic.
Even though I think all of these characters have died at some point before already, if not multiple times, it was all pulled off really well. Jean's death was just fucked.
Speaking of -- is there a reason why Jean is so damn weak here? Or is this another instance of this is something that's intentionally off, no one knows why, so just wait and see?
It wasn't committed by a human.The mutant population after Hope was in the millions.
However I did forget the Terrigean Mists but interestingly enough so did this comic. Or at least it wasn't mentioned as one of the great mutant genocides.
I think Magneto or Apocalypse could help here.Shiat. How will Charles clone/resurrect Wolverine with adamantium? I'm really damn curious.
So I guess the question is were those pod people X men that went to space or are the pod people replacing actual dead X-men next?
My bet is that they were already pod people, or it wasn't 616. Between Jean's weird regression back to Marvel Girl, Archangel going out like a punk, and Monet Penancing Out, this isn't consistent with mainline 616. Hickman knows his stuff, so he wouldn't be doing this accidentally or without explanation.
I think Mystique was either the "real" Mystique or a pod person who's caught on that something is amiss. Seems weird that she'd volunteer for the mission unless she had some other reason to be up there.
The only thing that makes this odd is of course, Logan's Adamantium claws and skeleton. He cut the 4th link from the outside so he had to have had that metal. Whatever process is reporting/resurrecting then must take that into account somehow. Maybe it's more complex than simply cloning.
Moriah maybe is using her power to keep resetting others as well? And Xavier blocks their memory out until a specific point in the timeline? I don't know.The only thing that makes this odd is of course, Logan's Adamantium claws and skeleton. He cut the 4th link from the outside so he had to have had that metal. Whatever process is reporting/resurrecting then must take that into account somehow. Maybe it's more complex than simply cloning.
So I guess the question is were those pod people X men that went to space or are the pod people replacing actual dead X-men next?
Fair point.
Edit - Technically neither was Genosha though. It was to tools of man, but Cassandra Nova was the one who pulled the trigger.
On the topic of Clone X-men, could Krakoa be making new bodies, but Xavier "rescuing" their minds at the point of death and transferring them to new bodies?
Yeah, the "radiant and with open arms" part is what sells it. Just nothing but love and respect coming from Kurt there.
The weird idea I've had kicking around in my head is that we could to see a retcon of Giant Size #1: the X-men never left Krakoa. Krakoa didn't send Scott back to Xavier to bring more mutants, but instead sent an exact copy and kept the original to feed on. And when the new team came, Krakoa captured them and sent copies out with false memories. The X-men we've known all these years have been Krakoan copies (even Wolverine, because Krakoa can make adamantium, because why the heck not).On the topic of Clone X-men, could Krakoa be making new bodies, but Xavier "rescuing" their minds at the point of death and transferring them to new bodies?
Worked for Black Widow, can work for the X-Men.On the topic of Clone X-men, could Krakoa be making new bodies, but Xavier "rescuing" their minds at the point of death and transferring them to new bodies?
The weird idea I've had kicking around in my head is that we could to see a retcon of Giant Size #1: the X-men never left Krakoa. Krakoa didn't send Scott back to Xavier to bring more mutants, but instead sent an exact copy and kept the original to feed on. And when the new team came, Krakoa captured them and sent copies out with false memories. The X-men we've known all these years have been Krakoan copies (even Wolverine, because Krakoa can make adamantium, because why the heck not).
And Charles knew this all along, because this was part of the plan. Moira, too. Including the whole Deadly Genesis arc.
By the end of HoxPox, we'll get the original mutants back, with their copy's memories returned to them by Xavier somehow.
The regression is very disappointing. She acted like a newbie who just got her powers. I'm hoping there's an instory reason for it.Even though I think all of these characters have died at some point before already, if not multiple times, it was all pulled off really well. Jean's death was just fucked.
Speaking of -- is there a reason why Jean is so damn weak here? Or is this another instance of this is something that's intentionally off, no one knows why, so just wait and see?
The regression is very disappointing. She acted like a newbie who just got her powers. I'm hoping there's an instory reason for it.
The weird idea I've had kicking around in my head is that we could to see a retcon of Giant Size #1: the X-men never left Krakoa. Krakoa didn't send Scott back to Xavier to bring more mutants, but instead sent an exact copy and kept the original to feed on. And when the new team came, Krakoa captured them and sent copies out with false memories. The X-men we've known all these years have been Krakoan copies (even Wolverine, because Krakoa can make adamantium, because why the heck not).
And Charles knew this all along, because this was part of the plan. Moira, too. Including the whole Deadly Genesis arc.
By the end of HoxPox, we'll get the original mutants back, with their copy's memories returned to them by Xavier somehow.
Agreed
My biggest gripe with this issue regarding Jean is not the feats(or lack thereof) but her entire disposition...it's tentative, while everyone else is showing steely resolve. She has to be prodded to be on mission by Cyclops, Wolverine and most off-putting of all, M(not getting into needing her telepathic support to begin with)
This is some other Jean. This is NOT the same Jean who, on the shuttle mission, assessed the situation, determined a course of action, absorbed Corbeau's flight knowledge, knocked out Scott, said her tearful goodbyes, and set her self to task, enduring way more pain than HOX Jean did from that explosion...enduring so much that even after her body is destroyed by radiation, she shunts death itself aside, carrying on, before the Phoenix intervenes.
It's just so glaring (to me) because she is furthest removed from her characterization than the others
Is Scarlett Witch a human? I thought she was a mutant?
Also why are they calling her a Pretender? Lol what the hell is that?
Is Scarlett Witch a human? I thought she was a mutant?
Also why are they calling her a Pretender? Lol what the hell is that?
Ahhh. That's kinda sad and shortsighted. How did people receive it?About the time they were bringing the Maximofs into the movies, they reconnected their origin to being the true children of Django and Marya Maximoff, kidnaed and experimented on by the High Evolutionary, and returned under the false story that they were mutants and children of Magneto.
Basically, wiping away the mutant and Magneto connections to make them more MCU friendly.
Yeah that is bizarre. Can they retcon her and Pietro back to be mutants? I actually hope for the same in the MCU, i.e. retcon them to be mutants all along.
But she's a PRETENDER though
About the time they were bringing the Maximofs into the movies, they reconnected their origin to being the true children of Django and Marya Maximoff, kidnaed and experimented on by the High Evolutionary, and returned under the false story that they were mutants and children of Magneto.
Basically, wiping away the mutant and Magneto connections to make them more MCU friendly.