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I was gonna wait for trades but too impatient to see what fuckery hickman does with mutants.
Digital for this. Ready at midnight. Don't even need to put on pants.I understand! Every Wednesday at the comic store I'm like
This might be the single best page of any X-Men comic ever.
Absolutely fantastic.
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yep. I'm always in bed reading in my iPad when it arrives. It usually shows up around 11:50 actually.
That was another great issue. The series had managed to convince me that HoX's present was in the main Marvel continuity so I didn't event think about this being a possibility. Obviously, it's going to get reversed or rebooted through Moira or Krakoa podas, but it was really intense.
Scott said he assembled a team of volunteers. It was a suicide mission from the start, they knew the odds. Those people volunteered for that, although I won't think more would do. Maybe in the great Xavier's plan those are the expandables best suited for the job. There are more battles coming.
Yeah, it kinda makes sense from that perspective.
But from Xavier and Moira's perspective, it makes absolutely no sense. Moira has spent the last ten lifetimes trying to make things work, and she figures this may be her last shot. She spent a long portion of her last life entombed in a horrible future only to immediately voluntarily get gutted in order to bring information into what we're presuming is this life. That information was important enough to sacrifice everyone she knew in the Moira 9 timeline to obtain, and then.. they wait around until the last minute and then ask around and see if anyone wants to act on it?
Even if Moira's not in the picture anymore, Xavier still read her mind and would know all that, and he's had ten years to prepare for this. He and Moira set up an elaborate program to check for the signs of Nimrod being built, but they never laid the groundwork for staging a proper assault?
The only way it logically works is if:
- The "volunteers" were expendable because they were clones, or can be cloned.
- Moira doesn't intend for this to be the "final" timeline, so losses are acceptable as everything will be wiped from everywhere except her own memory, anyway.
- Helmet Xavier is working against Moira for some reason.
- Moira's plan requires sacrifice (ie, martyrs or founders or as a catalyst for more desperate action)
- X10 is not Moira 10.
Even though I think all of these characters have died at some point before already, if not multiple times, it was all pulled off really well. Jean's death was just fucked.
Speaking of -- is there a reason why Jean is so damn weak here? Or is this another instance of this is something that's intentionally off, no one knows why, so just wait and see?
Speaking of -- is there a reason why Jean is so damn weak here? Or is this another instance of this is something that's intentionally off, no one knows why, so just wait and see?
The mutant population after Hope was in the millions.
However I did forget the Terrigean Mists but interestingly enough so did this comic. Or at least it wasn't mentioned as one of the great mutant genocides.
Perhaps her dressing as Marvel Girl is more than just a costume change.
It would be pretty interesting if this assault really only paved the way for the "nicer" Nimrod and future alien-ish Xavier, and ultimately their technological ascension is the final crazy piece needed to reboot the timeline in a way that fully achieve's Xavier/Moria's goal.
Fair point.
Edit - Technically neither was Genosha though. It was to tools of man, but Cassandra Nova was the one who pulled the trigger.
This might be the single best page of any X-Men comic ever.
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My bet is that they were already pod people, or it wasn't 616. Between Jean's weird regression back to Marvel Girl, Archangel going out like a punk, and Monet Penancing Out, this isn't consistent with mainline 616. Hickman knows his stuff, so he wouldn't be doing this accidentally or without explanation.
I think Mystique was either the "real" Mystique or a pod person who's caught on that something is amiss. Seems weird that she'd volunteer for the mission unless she had some other reason to be up there.
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The only thing that makes this odd is of course, Logan's Adamantium claws and skeleton. He cut the 4th link from the outside so he had to have had that metal. Whatever process is reporting/resurrecting then must take that into account somehow. Maybe it's more complex than simply cloning.
Yeah. It could be that only some of the crew were clones and that was the real Wolverine, but I keep going back to that weird shot of him playing with the kids while creepy Xavier looms nearby.
Of course, I'm already 0/1 on Identifying Counterfeit Wolverines, so who am I to talk? :)
Moriah maybe is using her power to keep resetting others as well? And Xavier blocks their memory out until a specific point in the timeline? I don't know.
I'm thinking yeah, it's the issue one pod people...
But it does leave the question of if krakoa can make a perfect replica of adamantium wolverine. Which.... I mean, if it is possible, why clone anyone else. Slice n dice all mutant haters.
On the topic of Clone X-men, could Krakoa be making new bodies, but Xavier "rescuing" their minds at the point of death and transferring them to new bodies?
Those sentinels were technically activated by Donald Trask III, even if it was under Nova's orders.
Those sentinels were technically activated by Donald Trask III, even if it was under Nova's orders.
I have a strong suspicion this is the case with the cover for next PoX issue. I believe a solicit for one of the next issues also mentioned
"Cerebro does what it was built to do." What if it's been modified to look not just for mutants on earth, but also for their very souls in the astral plane or something? Could tie into why Xavier always keeps it on too.
Yeah, the "radiant and with open arms" part is what sells it. Just nothing but love and respect coming from Kurt there.
The weird idea I've had kicking around in my head is that we could to see a retcon of Giant Size #1: the X-men never left Krakoa. Krakoa didn't send Scott back to Xavier to bring more mutants, but instead sent an exact copy and kept the original to feed on. And when the new team came, Krakoa captured them and sent copies out with false memories. The X-men we've known all these years have been Krakoan copies (even Wolverine, because Krakoa can make adamantium, because why the heck not).
And Charles knew this all along, because this was part of the plan. Moira, too. Including the whole Deadly Genesis arc.
By the end of HoxPox, we'll get the original mutants back, with their copy's memories returned to them by Xavier somehow.
The regression is very disappointing. She acted like a newbie who just got her powers. I'm hoping there's an instory reason for it.
Agreed
My biggest gripe with this issue regarding Jean is not the feats(or lack thereof) but her entire disposition...it's tentative, while everyone else is showing steely resolve. She has to be prodded to be on mission by Cyclops, Wolverine and most off-putting of all, M(not getting into needing her telepathic support to begin with)
This is some other Jean. This is NOT the same Jean who, on the shuttle mission, assessed the situation, determined a course of action, absorbed Corbeau's flight knowledge, knocked out Scott, said her tearful goodbyes, and set her self to task, enduring way more pain than HOX Jean did from that explosion...enduring so much that even after her body is destroyed by radiation, she shunts death itself aside, carrying on, before the Phoenix intervenes.
It's just so glaring (to me) because she is furthest removed from her characterization than the others
i love this idea
good point definitely not the real jean
just finished this week's suicide run/punch to the gut...goddamn, y'all. goddamn.
not gonna lie, shit had me choked up right here
this weekly wait is killing me
i keep saying how this is what game of thrones was for other folks
This might be the single best page of any X-Men comic ever.
not gonna lie, shit had me choked up right here
I understand! Every Wednesday at the comic store I'm like
this weekly wait is killing me
i keep saying how this is what game of thrones was for other folks
Is Scarlett Witch a human? I thought she was a mutant?
Also why are they calling her a Pretender? Lol what the hell is that?
Also why are they calling her a Pretender? Lol what the hell is that?
Is Scarlett Witch a human? I thought she was a mutant?
Also why are they calling her a Pretender? Lol what the hell is that?
Because they retconned it. She and quicksilver isn't mutants anymore.
Is Scarlett Witch a human? I thought she was a mutant?
Also why are they calling her a Pretender? Lol what the hell is that?
About the time they were bringing the Maximofs into the movies, they reconnected their origin to being the true children of Django and Marya Maximoff, kidnaed and experimented on by the High Evolutionary, and returned under the false story that they were mutants and children of Magneto.
Basically, wiping away the mutant and Magneto connections to make them more MCU friendly.
Ahhh. That's kinda sad and shortsighted. How did people receive it?
Yeah that is bizarre. Can they retcon her and Pietro back to be mutants? I actually hope for the same in the MCU, i.e. retcon them to be mutants all along.
But she's a PRETENDER though
I just realized what they meant by that
To be completely fair though, Wanda and Pietro being Magneto's children was itself a retcon that wasn't thought up until later.
Originally while members of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (that NAME lol) they weren't his kids.