Only side Selene is on is her own
Her being the oldest mutant means nothing if she could she would sacrifice the entire population for power
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Her being the oldest mutant means nothing if she could she would sacrifice the entire population for power
With Mystique it's not about trust but being rational. Unlike Moira's 3 Stooges, Raven's someone who can check her ego at the door.
Right. Which is why you make her side and your side the common goal.
I don't think there's a way to do that without making your side irredeemably monstrous.
Hey sometimes you gotta team up with...
*checks notes*
The Red Skull...
Who the fuck wrote this?
Seemed pretty clear to me he'd made up his mind about stopping it and was looking for an excuse to not go through with stopping ascension. If he was really still weighing his options he wouldn't have told them everything while there was anything they could do to take the decision out of his hands.
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Thing with Selene is, unlike Apocalypse she has no goal except her own ambitions. Her ambition. Be the goddess of this planet.
Even her work with the Hellfire Club was only to push forward that end and she discarded them as soon as she realized there was nothing more to gain from said partnership.
To make your side the same as her means you have to worship her. Otherwise you just have similar goals for a while until she moves to the next plan to become a god.
Even her work with the Hellfire Club was only to push forward that end and she discarded them as soon as she realized there was nothing more to gain from said partnership.
To make your side the same as her means you have to worship her. Otherwise you just have similar goals for a while until she moves to the next plan to become a god.
No, Irene set Moira on her current path and the one she's been following since life IV. They have the same end goals.
Raven is certainly self serving but she's also one who (before losing Irene) put her people above all else too. She's been a mess since Destiny died admittedly but even much of what she's done since has been directed by Irene to different ends (like protecting Rogue) and other things her attempts to resurrect Irene.
Agreed. The Librarian also seemed pretty confident he was fast enough to avoid being hit by mutants at all. I don't believe for a second wolverine managed to tag him by surprise. He had simply made his decision and given up.
Unless your common goal is to give her tons of people to eat and give her power and you actually don't care about anything and you just like getting stepped on by a vampire goddess I don't see how
I'm starting to lean this way too that he gave them the opportunity for their plan
Also, now that folks are awake, just gonna go ahead and repost this
One thing that confuses me about this whole series so far is that it means Xavier has been knowledgeable about Moira's info the whole time we've known him? So we take all the failures so far as him still following his dream and not going her way until just recently? Seems weird. And Magneto has known for such a long time, even when he and Xavier where butting heads? Doesn't click for me.
What was Moira referring to when she said that they lost Magneto, there's been plenty of Magneto hero/villain flip flops over the years.
Yes and no.
Hickman says that Xavier restored his mind from a "backup" twice. We don't know what Xavier knew at what point. Xavier also appeared to be struggling quite a bit with the information Moira gave him- not wanting to believe that Mankind was inherently their enemy and no common ground could be found. This mental stress on his psyche is implied to be responsible for the portion of his personality that created Onslaught.
Magneto is a bit more complex. If we go way way back in Xmen history, Magneto was reverted to an infant after his years as full blown villain. Moira was one of the people responsible for restoring him to an adult body, but in doing so noted that Magneto was channeling so much power that it caused mental instability and irrationality- which was the explanation for the years of magneto running around as a supervillain. Magneto eventually fell off the wagon again and explicitly targeted Moira, assuming that she had tampered with his free will during that phase and using her techniques to mind control the Xmen and turn them against each other. Lee's Xmen #1-3 or so goes into all of this.
I believe the exact year of the Xavier/Magneto schism is noted on the timeline, but I don't have it handy.
It maybe when they thought he was dead? I'd have to reread exactly how she said it.
I assume Claremont's final (OG run) arc in X-Men #1-3 in 1991. Moira was pretty distraught after that.
HoX/PoX creates more questions than it answers, if we're going to be perfectly honest.
So you did, apologies for missing it:
1. Destiny's out because her intention, at least as I read it, was to kill her after her powers manifested if she was going to be a threat. The danger there being that Destiny only saw her having 10 or 11 so she'd be wasting her limited lives getting merc'd by Destiny repeatedly.
2. Could have happened, but didn't. I'm not talking ways any of the previous Moiras could have lead to a premature death but avoided, I'm talking reasons Moira X 10 is only ever going to have a single life after this one tops.
3. Time travel might work, but only if the functionality of Moira's powers (things play out as they should when she isn't actively interfering) can be overridden by time travel. Her powers already interact abnormally with Destiny's. Who knows how they'd affect time travel
Still, outside of a rogue temporal assassin, based on the way Moira describes her abilities the only way I see her life being terminated permanently is by choice.
The way I see it, it's before Charles formed the X-Men. They haven't been going through the motions all these years, Magneto's genuinely been on his own path and probably only got on board for keeps some time after Genosha. Or after House of M. Meanwhile, Charles has been resisting giving up on his dream while still also laying the groundwork for the plan.
There's a hardcover in December. Not sure about trades yet.
Yes, this is true, but should she die in life 10, and reincarnate in life 11 with the intent of doing something that was a threat to Destiny, Destiny will kill her before she turns 13. I don't think this one is all that likely because Moira seems to be interested in avoiding the genocide of the mutant and human races here. But it is possible.
That's the thing- the Phalanxes/Titans/Dominions are things that are a constant, they always exist. Life 6 ended with advanced humanity and machines intentionally calling the Phalanx to Earth in an attempt to join with them, not exactly realizing this would mean the complete annihilation of life on earth. The Dominion exists outside of spacetime, so if a phalanx or dominion were to become aware of Moira in THIS life (Life X) it could obliterate her in the past before her powers manifest, whether she keeps her powers or not. The dominion is stated to be godlike with no limitations. The Phalanx/Dominion are the ultimate Big Bad for the Xmen here, since there's no way to kill or even injure it via conventional means but it will be VERY interested in wiping out Moira and presumably earth itself if it discovers she exists.
it's comics. Anything is possible. Destiny's powers it must be clarified worked just fine on Moira *once she knew what to look for.*
House/Powers was good. It's Hickman so I don't expect any of this to be solved until 5 years from now (if ever).
the one curious connection between Nimrod and Xavier that I want to see more of is the similarities between the stasis that Sabertooth was forced into in Krakoa, and the stasis pod that Nimrod uses to collect mutant data. I doubt that was unintentional.
the one curious connection between Nimrod and Xavier that I want to see more of is the similarities between the stasis that Sabertooth was forced into in Krakoa, and the stasis pod that Nimrod uses to collect mutant data. I doubt that was unintentional.
I don't see the two being related. Sabretooth is going to be restrained somewhere in Krakoa- in exile but helpless and aware of what happens to him until such time as Xavier thinks he has an opportunity to redeem himself. Someone else mentioned this is probably a good opportunity to reboot "exiles" as something else down the line and I think there's a lot to this.
Nimrod on the other hand was plopping mutants in a tank in an attempt to discover more about how they work, to give himself an advantage in the ongoing war. This seems to have happened twice- once in life 6, once in life 9. Because of the deal Xavier and Mags struck with Sinister, the mutants already have a comprehensive genetic database in holographic form of every mutant known to have ever existed. There's no reason for Krakoa to mimic this with dangerous mutants thrown into exile.
First of all, thank you for writing "Poccy".
Second, does that mean you have faith in Emma or are disillusioned?
I believe she's the one who's going to win this in the end (of Hickman's tenure.)
After Mystique's glorious revenge. Or maybe they'll team up.
I'm gonna give them all a fair shot. So one or two issues of each to start. But I am most excited for Marauders, New Mutants and Excalibur.
I wanted to find this gif but I'm too lazy, thank you for doing it.
I'm all in. Pull list looking real heavy, but I will say having weekly X-Conversations here has been a real treat and I'm looking forward to continuing it with you all.
I'm grabbing all of them. Not exactly sure which one I have the highest hopes for - maybe Excalibur?
All of them.
The last time I did that was Age of Apocalypse, eventually I regretted it when Operation Zero Tolerance was a stinker. But AoA was worth it.
God that was a great time to collect x-men. I remember how exciting AoA was when I was a teen. Damn.
I went from Phalanx Covenant to AoA while pulling all X-Titles at the same time. That was a great period indeed.
I've been exclusively reading Marvel on Marvel Unlimited for the last few years - until this event. Now I've got to decide how much to keep up weekly. Most interested in X-Men (HIckman writing, Cyclops seems to be the main character) and Mauraders. Fallen Angels as a concept really intrigues me, as it's something that was pretty much ignored during Hox/PoX, but I'm not that into the mutants in it. I'm totally lost on this whole Psylocke in another body thing.
Yeah. I stopped comics because I wanted to spend my money on social stuff as a teen. Rereading it as an adult is a trip.
I very rarely actually ever look at floppies anymore these days, instead I'm building a sizable hardcover collection. So going back to floppies for this is pretty damn special.