Only side Selene is on is her ownYou don't trust Selene, you handle her but you get her on your side. She's the oldest mutant known.
Her being the oldest mutant means nothing if she could she would sacrifice the entire population for power
Only side Selene is on is her ownYou don't trust Selene, you handle her but you get her on your side. She's the oldest mutant known.
With Mystique it's not about trust but being rational. Unlike Moira's 3 Stooges, Raven's someone who can check her ego at the door.Yes because if there's two people I would trust is Selene the vampire with a god complex and Raven
Right. Which is why you make her side and your side the common goal.Only side Selene is on is her own
Her being the oldest mutant means nothing if she could she would sacrifice the entire population for power
I don't think there's a way to do that without making your side irredeemably monstrous.Right. Which is why you make her side and your side the common goal.
You mean like Krakoa now?I don't think there's a way to do that without making your side irredeemably monstrous.
Hey sometimes you gotta team up with...
Seemed pretty clear to me he'd made up his mind about stopping it and was looking for an excuse to not go through with stopping ascension. If he was really still weighing his options he wouldn't have told them everything while there was anything they could do to take the decision out of his hands.Also weird was that the Librarian didn't have an advanced death prevention system in place over Moira with multiple redundancies. Like, literally placing her in a Matrix-movie-style pod or something. All it took was wolverine going plus-ultra for a second and your species' plan for godhood is ended. It makes so little sense that my head-cannon now has to be that the Librarian secretly or subconsciously hoped for a slip up because of his apprehension surrounding ascension was that great.
No, Irene set Moira on her current path and the one she's been following since life IV. They have the same end goals.But Raven is also entirely self serving and Moira's whole plan thing relies on fucking Destiny over. Which... you know is a good way for Raven to go out of her way to murder you.
Seemed pretty clear to me he'd made up his mind about stopping it and was looking for an excuse to go through with stopping ascension. If he was really still weighing his options he wouldn't have told them everything while there was anything they could do to take the decision out of his hands.
Unless your common goal is to give her tons of people to eat and give her power and you actually don't care about anything and you just like getting stepped on by a vampire goddess I don't see howRight. Which is why you make her side and your side the common goal.
I'm starting to lean this way too that he gave them the opportunity for their planAgreed. The Librarian also seemed pretty confident he was fast enough to avoid being hit by mutants at all. I don't believe for a second wolverine managed to tag him by surprise. He had simply made his decision and given up.
So here's a thought:
Based on how her powers work, Moira literally cannot die before they become active when she turns 13 if she chooses not to.
How so?
Because time follows the path it's supposed to when she's not actively trying to change it.
Moira is supposed to live into her seventies in her baseline timeline and has made it past 13 in every single preceding timeline. Meaning that in lives 10, 11, and beyond, all she has to do to ensure she lives until her X-Gene becomes active is... nothing.
So for Destiny's prediction to be correct, Moira has to choose to die without her powers. That or be forced to through circumstances growing out of whatever situation she's engineered.
What I'm saying is: Moira X is the last Moira because the right choice, if this timeline turns out to be the one where mutants don't necessarily win, but also don't lose, is for her to die without her powers and not live an 11th life. Because "the right choice at the end" is to preserve the timeline she took ten lifetimes to build, since she knows the eleventh is the last possible one.
This might also explain why she's so opposed to any precogs, especially Destiny, being around. She has perfect recall of her past lives, which means she still knows how to brew up a batch of mutant cure. She doesn't want to run the risk of Destiny flipping her shit with only partial understanding of Moira's intent.
Also, now that folks are awake, just gonna go ahead and repost this
One thing that confuses me about this whole series so far is that it means Xavier has been knowledgeable about Moira's info the whole time we've known him? So we take all the failures so far as him still following his dream and not going her way until just recently? Seems weird. And Magneto has known for such a long time, even when he and Xavier where butting heads? Doesn't click for me.Nah. Everything that has happened in the current X-books since Xmen #1 is all the same timeline, unless you want to get into universe 7/8 nitpicking.
One thing that confuses me about this whole series so far is that it means Xavier has been knowledgeable about Moira's info the whole time we've known him? So we take all the failures so far as him still following his dream and not going her way until just recently? Seems weird. And Magneto has known for such a long time, even when he and Xavier where butting heads? Doesn't click for me.
What was Moira referring to when she said that they lost Magneto, there's been plenty of Magneto hero/villain flip flops over the years.
What was Moira referring to when she said that they lost Magneto, there's been plenty of Magneto hero/villain flip flops over the years.
I assume Claremont's final (OG run) arc in X-Men #1-3 in 1991. Moira was pretty distraught after that.What was Moira referring to when she said that they lost Magneto, there's been plenty of Magneto hero/villain flip flops over the years.
So you did, apologies for missing it:
The way I see it, it's before Charles formed the X-Men. They haven't been going through the motions all these years, Magneto's genuinely been on his own path and probably only got on board for keeps some time after Genosha. Or after House of M. Meanwhile, Charles has been resisting giving up on his dream while still also laying the groundwork for the plan.What was Moira referring to when she said that they lost Magneto, there's been plenty of Magneto hero/villain flip flops over the years.
How soon will this be in Trade paperback? I only managed to get the #1s.
So you did, apologies for missing it:
1. Destiny's out because her intention, at least as I read it, was to kill her after her powers manifested if she was going to be a threat. The danger there being that Destiny only saw her having 10 or 11 so she'd be wasting her limited lives getting merc'd by Destiny repeatedly.
2. Could have happened, but didn't. I'm not talking ways any of the previous Moiras could have lead to a premature death but avoided, I'm talking reasons Moira X 10 is only ever going to have a single life after this one tops.
3. Time travel might work, but only if the functionality of Moira's powers (things play out as they should when she isn't actively interfering) can be overridden by time travel. Her powers already interact abnormally with Destiny's. Who knows how they'd affect time travel
House/Powers was good. It's Hickman so I don't expect any of this to be solved until 5 years from now (if ever).
the one curious connection between Nimrod and Xavier that I want to see more of is the similarities between the stasis that Sabertooth was forced into in Krakoa, and the stasis pod that Nimrod uses to collect mutant data. I doubt that was unintentional.
If i had to make a guess.
Moira is Doom
Xavier/Magneto/Poccy is the Illuminati
And Emma is Reed.
I believe she's the one who's going to win this in the end (of Hickman's tenure.)First of all, thank you for writing "Poccy".
Second, does that mean you have faith in Emma or are disillusioned?
I believe she's the one who's going to win this in the end (of Hickman's tenure.)
I believe she's the one who's going to win this in the end (of Hickman's tenure.)
So what Dawn of X books are people picking up?
I am going to definitely go with the two Hickman books and I decided to add Excalibur to the rotation. I'm not sure if I need anything else yet.
If i had to make a guess.
Moira is Doom
Xavier/Magneto/Poccy is the Illuminati
And Emma is Reed.
So what Dawn of X books are people picking up?
I am going to definitely go with the two Hickman books and I decided to add Excalibur to the rotation. I'm not sure if I need anything else yet.
I wanted to find this gif but I'm too lazy, thank you for doing it.
So what Dawn of X books are people picking up?
I am going to definitely go with the two Hickman books and I decided to add Excalibur to the rotation. I'm not sure if I need anything else yet.
I'm grabbing all of them. Not exactly sure which one I have the highest hopes for - maybe Excalibur?So what Dawn of X books are people picking up?
I am going to definitely go with the two Hickman books and I decided to add Excalibur to the rotation. I'm not sure if I need anything else yet.
So what Dawn of X books are people picking up?
I am going to definitely go with the two Hickman books and I decided to add Excalibur to the rotation. I'm not sure if I need anything else yet.
All of them.
The last time I did that was Age of Apocalypse, eventually I regretted it when Operation Zero Tolerance was a stinker. But AoA was worth it.
God that was a great time to collect x-men. I remember how exciting AoA was when I was a teen. Damn.
So what Dawn of X books are people picking up?
I am going to definitely go with the two Hickman books and I decided to add Excalibur to the rotation. I'm not sure if I need anything else yet.
I went from Phalanx Covenant to AoA while pulling all X-Titles at the same time. That was a great period indeed.
Yeah. I stopped comics because I wanted to spend my money on social stuff as a teen. Rereading it as an adult is a trip.