Joy Reid homophobic blog posts, potentially hacked?

jakoo · Apr 25, 2018

So, here is a news story I am having trouble following, and I didn't see any discussion on ResetEra about it:

Apparently some Twitter users unearthed some homophobic posts hosted on Joy Ann Reid's (of MSNBC fame) old blog:

Even though these were apparently discoverable via the Internet Wayback machine, Joy Reid then claims that these posts were doctored in the Wayback archives itself.(For what it's worth, the The Internet Wayback team cannot confirm this.)

The news article earlier linked in the post states that an independent security analyst named Jonathan Nichols commissioned by MSNBC corroborates Reid's story...however, apparently this "expert" seems like kind of a dubious oddball himself?

Is anyone else following this? I am having a lot of trouble getting my arms around this story. Based on my rudimentary understanding of IT, I find it unlikely that someone could go to the trouble of doctoring an entire archive of posts in the Wayback machine. It also seems weird that Joy Reid wouldn't just own up to having made shitty comments in the past instead of coming up with a convoluted and easily disprovable lie though, also.

EDIT: Mediaite published a colorful account of the "cyber security" expert, and, uhhh....

FireWarrior · Apr 25, 2018

she's lying

Metallix87 · Apr 25, 2018

Joy probably feels she loses a lot of credibility by admitting to having made homophobic statements in the past, and is desperate to try to save face. I can't blame her for not wanting that stain on her reputation in today's political climate, but if it's true, sooner or later she'll have to own her past.

zero_suit · Apr 25, 2018

I like Joy, but she's lying. Owning up to her mistakes would have been the best course of action.

Red Cadet 015 · Apr 25, 2018

It's in the past. If she doesn't hold those views now, who cares. It's not where you're from it's where you're going.

Sega Dreamcast · Apr 25, 2018

Is this the same thing that she apologized for recently? Or is it a new scandal?

I hate when otherwise kind people are revealed to be bigots. I really really hope she's not like this anymore.

Luchashaq · Apr 25, 2018

The "hacked" narrative has already been proven as a hilarious crock of shit.

Reid has been a moron and a hack forever (can't even figure out simple Senate rules lmao), was pathetic to see other positive threads about her on here.

Just because she had a good sick burn tweet or 2 doesn't mean she was ever worth listening to, the only use she has is to un-follow anyone who retweets her garbage.

Deleted member 3058 · Apr 25, 2018

Sega Dreamcast said:
Is this the same thing that she apologized for recently? Or is it a new scandal?

I hate when otherwise kind people are revealed to be bigots. I really really hope she's not like this anymore.

Seems like a follow up with her saying these new images aren't legitimate

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-hacked/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2359974b87f8

In the letters, attorney John H. Reichman stated that Reid’s blog contained both fabricated posts and “fraudulent additions” in legitimate posts. He said the writing style and viewpoint of the posts don’t match that of a “well-known liberal journalist,” and demanded that Internet Archive remove them from its archives and that Alphabet investigate whether Blogger.com, specifically Reid’s blog, was compromised.

Nichols said in his statement Tuesday, “We discovered that login information used to access the blog was available on the Dark Web and that fraudulent entries — featuring offensive statements — were entered with suspicious formatting and time stamps.”

But the Internet Archive cast doubt on Reid’s hacking story Tuesday.

Edit: And here's the internet archive's (e.g. wayback machine) response: http://blog.archive.org/2018/04/24/...anipulated-blog-posts-in-the-wayback-machine/

When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions. At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities.

We let Reid’s lawyers know that the information provided was not sufficient for us to verify claims of manipulation. Consequently, and due to Reid’s being a journalist (a very high-profile one, at that) and the journalistic nature of the blog archives, we declined to take down the archives. We were clear that we would welcome and consider any further information that they could provide us to support their claims.

At some point after our correspondence, a robots.txt exclusion request specific to the Wayback Machine was placed on the live blog. That request was automatically recognized and processed by the Wayback Machine and the blog archives were excluded, unbeknownst to us (the process is fully automated). The robots.txt exclusion from the web archive remains automatically in effect due to the presence of the request on the live blog. Also, the blog URL which previously pointed to an msnbc.com page now points to a generic parked page.

treble · Apr 25, 2018

I have worked at the internet archive and know people that still do. It’s nearly impossible to hack the wayback machine, and there’s no benefit for the archive to do so... quite the opposite in fact. Plus, there would be all sorts of data, metadata, and analytics that would show any wrong doing, and - spoiler alert - there isn’t any.

Red Cadet 015 · Apr 25, 2018

Luchashaq said:
The "hacked" narrative has already been proven as a hilarious crock of shit.

Reid has been a moron and a hack for awhile (can't even figure out simple Senate rules lmao), was pathetic to see other positive threads about her on here.

Just because she had a good sick burn tweet doesn't mean she was ever worth listening to, the only use she has is to un-follow anyone who retweets her garbage.

This is ridiculous. She's had plenty of good commentary on her show, and though she's not nearly as awesome as Melissa Harris Perry, she's an acceptable replacement.

Metallix87 · Apr 25, 2018

Red Cadet 015 said:
It's in the past. If she doesn't hold those views now, who cares. It's not where you're from it's where you're going.

It's impossible to know if she holds those views now or not. Trying to hide the past is a bad look on the matter.

Red Cadet 015 · Apr 25, 2018

Metallix87 said:
It's impossible to know if she holds those views now or not. Trying to hide the past is a bad look on the matter.

I mean, she's had plenty of LGBTQ people on her show. If she has them now, they certainly aren't public views.

But I agree, she should probably just say she already apologized for this and reiterate the apology. Nobody would really care.

Lord Brady · Apr 25, 2018

Red Cadet 015 said:
It's in the past. If she doesn't hold those views now, who cares. It's not where you're from it's where you're going.

Does this apply to every single person?

Thisman · Apr 25, 2018

If she was being honest she would have come off better. The fact that everyone knows she is lying makes it even worse for it. She needs to admit this was her and let that play out. This is worse

Orb · Apr 25, 2018

It doesn't surprise me. I'm annoyed at how often I see her re-tweeted into my timeline by people who see her as a good source of news and analysis when she's kind of a mess.

BowieZ · Apr 25, 2018

To be honest, I’ve never liked her. She’s extremely aggressively partisan as a host and on her TV appearances, and even worse on Twitter.

I wouldn’t say these old comments are the worst things I’ve ever read. It’s just bizarre more than anything. Since when is it “patently homophobic” to be repulsed by gay sex? That’s not the homophobic part.

alr1ght · Apr 25, 2018

The "hacked" excuse will never get old, especially from old, archived pages.

Metallix87 · Apr 25, 2018

Red Cadet 015 said:
I mean, she's had plenty of LGBTQ people on her show. If she has them now, they certainly aren't public views.

Trump held up a pride flag on at least one instance.

Whether they're public or not is mostly irrelevant. The fact that she feels the need to lie about it is the issue.

Wolfgunblood · Apr 25, 2018

It has to sting when she realizes that Donald Trump is president and has taught us that American culture values deception but not when it comes to claims of being hacked. We don't like that.

Red Cadet 015 · Apr 25, 2018

Lord Brady said:
Does this apply to every single person?

Not people like Harvey Weinstein. But in general, yes.

ArmsofSleep · Apr 25, 2018

Joy Ann Reid has been a hack (and a really hateful, harmful person for years). Her quick rise during the 2016 election is inexcusable. So yeah this doesn't surprise me at all.

Metallix87 · Apr 25, 2018

BowieZ said:
To be honest, I’ve never liked her. She’s extremely aggressively partisan as a host and on her TV appearances, and even worse on Twitter.

I wouldn’t say these old comments are the worst things I’ve ever read. It’s just bizarre more than anything. Since when is it “patently homophobic” to be repulsed by gay sex? That’s not the homophobic part.

Her aggressive partisanship is likely what led to her sudden popularity, which is again why she probably is desperate to try to hide her past on this matter.

Nathan_Drake · Apr 25, 2018

She admitted to some and apologized. She is denying these and said they were planted.

http://www.newsweek.com/lgbt-group-...d-after-homophobic-blog-posts-revealed-900071

LGBT advocacy group PFLAG National rescinded Joy Ann Reid’s ally award yesterday after she claimed that homophobic posts discovered on her former blog were "fabricated."

Red Cadet 015 · Apr 25, 2018

Metallix87 said:
Trump held up a pride flag on at least one instance.

Whether they're public or not is mostly irrelevant. The fact that she feels the need to lie about it is the issue.

Okay, well she's not Trump.

People lie about negative stuff. News at 11. For context, I think Brian Williams should have kept his job. I give 0 shits about broadcasters lying in inconsequential ways like this. It's bad PR though because for some reason other people do.

Luchashaq · Apr 25, 2018

ArmsofSleep said:
Joy Ann Reid has been a hack (and a really hateful, harmful person for years). Her quick rise during the 2016 election is inexcusable. So yeah this doesn't surprise me at all.

Yup it's really pathetic that people are so willing to embrace outright morons just because they are on the same side politically on average.

If there actually was a liberal version of Fox News in terms of trash quality/massive ratings she would be a fucking star on that network.

Thisman said:
If she was being honest she would have come off better. The fact that everyone knows she is lying makes it even worse for it. She needs to admit this was her and let that play out. This is worse

I would have been shocked if she had admitted it, any time she has embarrassed herself by being blatantly wrong about something she just deletes the tweet and pretends it never happened, garbage like that.

Red Cadet 015 said:
Okay, well she's not Trump.

.

Honestly it's one of the only positive things you can say about her.

Metallix87 · Apr 25, 2018

Red Cadet 015 said:
Okay, well she's not Trump.

People lie about negative stuff. News at 11. For context, I think Brian Williams should have kept his job. I give 0 shits about broadcasters lying in inconsequential ways like this. It's bad PR though because for some reason other people do.

She's not Trump, but she's one of the faces of the movement against Trump, so this is a really bad look. I'm not saying she'll lose her job, but it's a hit on her credibility, and will likely cost her some amount of viewers.

IcedBlackCoffee · Apr 25, 2018

Joy, baby, what are you doing?

Come on Joy just own up to your mistake so we can move on and you can go back to dunking on Republicans.

Thisman · Apr 25, 2018

I agree with the fact that she shouldn’t be the leading liberal commentator because she comes off too aggressive, too arrogant and too “I am right and you are wrong” . Too polarising.

Red Cadet 015 · Apr 25, 2018

Metallix87 said:
She's not Trump, but she's one of the faces of the movement against Trump, so this is a really bad look. I'm not saying she'll lose her job, but it's a hit on her credibility, and will likely cost her some amount of viewers.

I agree, but credibility is somewhat overrated with the internet being a thing. What matters for broadcasters like this today is whether they're (1) right, and (2) entertaining. We'll Google the facts. At least that's my view.

Hierophant · Apr 25, 2018

jack_package_200 · Apr 25, 2018

I highly doubt they were hacked.

Disappointing.

Red Cadet 015 · Apr 25, 2018

Thisman said:
I agree with the fact that she shouldn’t be the leading liberal commentator because she comes off too aggressive, too arrogant and too “I am right and you are wrong” . Too polarising.

This is what I don't get. They ARE wrong. With Fox News being a thing, we need to be extremely aggressive. Too many think this is a debate when it's actually a war of discourse.

Metallix87 · Apr 25, 2018

Red Cadet 015 said:
I agree, but credibility is somewhat overrated with the internet being a thing. What matters for broadcasters like this today is whether they're (1) right, and (2) entertaining. We'll Google the facts. At least that's my view.

I don't agree, obviously. I feel, for instance, any 'slam' (god I hate this term) she makes against Trump or the GOP in general with regards to lies will ring as disingenuous moving forward because she's, essentially, a hypocrite.

Spiritual_Chaos · Apr 25, 2018

Thisman said:
I agree with the fact that she shouldn’t be the leading liberal commentator because she comes off too aggressive, too arrogant and too “I am right and you are wrong” . Too polarising.

Yeah... right....

Fergie · Apr 25, 2018

When these sort of stuff get unearthed, the best action is to at least try to come ahead of it and apologise.

Makes it a million times worse to deny and lie about it.

Deleted member 2620 · Apr 25, 2018

lol she is not good and the hacking claims are hilarious but her being "too polarizing" is not a problem

GrizzleBoy · Apr 25, 2018

The thing is, her blog post probably actually does reflect most people's feelings on the issue in the year 2007.

Most people who are supportive of all of the equal rights and representation etc even now arent totally ready to see same sex couples holding hands on the street, let alone view kissing or sexual acts on TV.

She acknowledges her flaws and flat out calls her own outlook homophobic.

If she's started from that place and used her own acknowledgement that SHE is the one with the issue I.e "I think I have a bit of homophobia" and used it to position herself better in terms of understanding in the long run, then I don't think it's such a bad thing.

IMO life would be much better for gay people if more people would ascribe their negative feelings toward homosexuality as a problem THEY have, as opposed to the more popularly touted view that homosexuals and homosexuality is the problem.

IF she said all this, she should be just owned up.

If we are brutally honest, people of her age who have been totally accepting of homosexuality their whole lives are far and few between, but I'm damn sure there arent too many people of her age who were as openly inward looking about their "problem" with homosexuality as she was in 2007.

Just my 2c.

I hope my post doesn't come across as insulting to anyone with a different view.

base_two · Apr 25, 2018

Those comments are real garbage though. Why does she think gay people are grossed out by straight porn?

Red Cadet 015 · Apr 25, 2018

Fergie said:
When these sort of stuff get unearthed, the best action is to at least try to come ahead of it and apologise.

Makes it a million times worse to deny and lie about it.

Yeah, the hacked claim is just stupid.

36 Chambers · Apr 25, 2018

Why exactly is she getting a pass?

IcedBlackCoffee said:
Come on Joy just own up to your mistake so we can move on and you can go back to dunking on Republicans.

Ah right, nvm

Hierophant · Apr 25, 2018

New Fang · Apr 25, 2018

This hacked claim isn't a good look.

She should have just owned her past and explained how she's learned from it.

Birdo · Apr 25, 2018

2007 wasn't that long ago and she likely still feels the same way but obviously she knows that you can't express those views being in her position.

kmfdmpig · Apr 25, 2018

Hierophant said:

That's great. I bet she regrets that Tweet now.

jakoo · Apr 25, 2018

GrizzleBoy said:
The thing is, her blog post probably actually does reflect most people's feelings on the issue in the year 2007.

Most people who are supportive of all of the equal rights and representation etc even now arent totally ready to see same sex couples holding hands on the street, let alone view kissing or sexual acts on TV.

She acknowledges her flaws and flat out calls her own outlook homophobic.

If she's started from that place and used her own acknowledgement that SHE is the one with the issue I.e "I think I have a bit of homophobia" and used it to position herself better in terms of understanding in the long run, then I don't think it's such a bad thing.

IMO life would be much better for gay people if more people would ascribe their negative feelings toward homosexuality as a problem THEY have, as opposed to the more popularly touted view that homosexuals and homosexuality is the problem.

IF she said all this, she should be just owned up.

If we are brutally honest, people of her age who have been totally accepting of homosexuality their whole lives are far and few between, but I'm damn sure there arent too many people of her age who were as openly inward looking about their problem with homosexuality as she was in 2007.

Just my 2c.

I hope my post doesn't come across as insulting to anyone with a different view.

I see where you are coming from. I mean, while I didn't have any blog posts about it, I absolutely would have made insensitive remarks amongst friends akin to the above about all manner of things that were unfamiliar to me at the time. It's what ignorance does and people are now less ignorant about these topics on the whole compared to 2007.

Unless this is some elaborate hit job (which seems 99% unlikely), it's really frustrating for a left-leaning journalist to basically validate the Trump "Fake News" playbook by just shamelessly denying and lying instead of taking the L and moving on. When this becomes the norm on the left as well as the right, we are fucked.

ItIsOkBro · Apr 25, 2018

love when people try to justify their shit opinions by claiming most people feel the same way.

lmcfigs · Apr 25, 2018

"Potentially hacked" lol. she just admitted to having made homophobic comments a few weeks ago - but this time they were faked. Probably by Russians!

CopperPuppy · Apr 25, 2018

Hierophant said:

Lmao

Hierophant · Apr 25, 2018

Joy Ann Reid is also one of the clowns that kept signal boosting the "alt-left" rhetoric that was a big thing for a bit. (Directly equating actual Nazis with leftist protestors, though they stopped that quickly after Heather Heyer was killed)

Kernel · Apr 25, 2018

zero_suit said:
I like Joy, but she's lying. Owning up to her mistakes would have been the best course of action.

I agree.

Admitting that you once held toxic beliefs but you’ve come around since then is the adult thing to do. I don’t think any sane person would hold it against her.

I’m sure there’s a lot of people like that and it should be socially acceptable to come out and admit it.

Joy Reid homophobic blog posts, potentially hacked?

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