Saying leaks put people in danger is like saying low taxes help small business. It's a propoganda point that substitutes the 1% sympathetic case for the much larger institutional system which unjustly gets the lion's share of the benefit.
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Judge jails former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning for refusing to testify to a grand jury probing Wikileaks.
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Leaks absolutely can put people in danger
Trump leaked Pelosi going to Afghanistan and the entire trip was pulled because of it
She didnt selectively release information that revealed the crimes while protecting people who werent decision makers but who were put at risk by releasing the info. Why is that hard for you to understand? The two are not mutually exclusive. Look at Snowden and many other people who leaked info about our govt. jesus
Check post history, he also thinks someone can't be a racist if their partner is outside of their race.
Uh, I'm pretty sure that none of these are the amendment you're supposed to invoke.
After the anti-BDS bullshit, I kinda wish she did primary Cardin. Kinda.
Are you serious? I hope you never have a family member whose info is released as part of a leak who wasnt even involved in the crimes said leak was aimed at revealing.
One example: Wikileaks (the organization) never came close to outing Manning as the source of the Iraq War Logs. Even well into her prosecution when her team was basically admitting it, WL would only refer to her as "the alleged source". It would be an incredible betrayal now for her to provide information that would assist the prosecution of Assange (who committed no crime with US jurisdiction).
...Wikileaks has proven itself to be a Russian mouthpiece and Assange to be not only a horrible person but an inherent liar of what wikileaks was actually about.
What you just posted makes no sense
I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying those risks are overblown and used to deflect from from the institutional corruption. It's basically saying "I can't be liable or people could be hurt!" It's dishonest at best and people interested in democracy and justice should stop repeating it.
Lol. So allegiance to WikiLeaks over the US courts? What the hell.
I remember thebishop from a few threads, I think he's bordering Tankie level political hot takes
Just look at this gem
So you are defending WL and Assange
Now I get your perspective
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Yea, that's why I mean by bigger principles. You see this as some kind of sinister, treasonous betrayal. I see it as incredibly admirable self-sacrifice.
She was indiscriminate in what she leaked, even if she didn't put people in direct danger, she simply released stuff that had no reason to be leaked or had anything to do with the initial issue of civilian casualties.
Her prison sentenced was mainly deserved. How she was treated in prison was not.
Self sacrifice...on behalf of a shit organization started by a shit person.
Wikileaks was never bad. it releases accurate, secret information about powerful state and corporate actors in the public interest and has never been responsible for outing a source. It would be an incredible blow to press freedom worldwide if Assange was successfully prosecuted for crimes related to *publishing*. I have no interest in defending Assange on the Swedish rape allegations, and at any rate, Wikileaks is bigger than Assange.
Manning absolutely was a whistleblower at the time. She revealed the US committing war crimes. Snowden, is not a whistleblower. He's the idiot you should direct your ire at.
I don't see a problem in her being jailed for refusing to testify. That's what happens when you try to ignore subpoenas.
I don't see a problem in her being jailed for refusing to testify. That's what happens when you try to ignore subpoenas.
Unless I am missing something, I see why no reason why she shouldn't testify since she has immunity. She was subpoena'd to testify before a grand jury. It's the law.
Yeah, that post is crazy town. I don't understand how anyone can make such mental leaps considering everything we know about WikiLeaks and Assange now. Lol at owing Assange loyalty over your own country.
Wikileaks was literally tweeting out antisemitic memes on their official channel
Armchair #resister. We're talking about 2 people, Assange and Manning who have paid an incredible price to tell you what your government actually does in the world.
I'm sure we're going to hear something about bad apples and the organization being bigger than what few may be inside of it!
I wish her luck. I'm not understanding her stance on this but she's making a principled stand. I applaud her courage. Manning is problematic in some ways but she's braver than any of the posters criticizing her here.
Liberals are authoritarian and believe in "law&order" along with worship of existing structures of power, no matter how inhuman. Since Trump took office, hell even before under Obama, there are many posters who slavishly bootlick the deep state here at ERA. Every topic about Snowden, Manning, the Patriot Act, etc. etc. you will find liberals coming out of the woodwork to boot-lick. Every time.
Liberals are authoritarian and believe in "law&order" along with worship of existing structures of power, no matter how inhuman. Since Trump took office, hell even before under Obama, there are many posters who slavishly bootlick the deep state here at ERA. Every topic about Snowden, Manning, the Patriot Act, etc. etc. you will find liberals coming out of the woodwork to boot-lick. Every time.
At least we have your size for the big clown shoes you're telling us you like wearing in public.
Only do things like be antisemitic publicly, dump Turkish womens voting infos for no reason, leak info about gay people in countries where they could be legally punished for it, or cover for Russia about the plane they shot down over Ukraine, which was totally not something Russia did, no sir.
thebishop is right, Wikileaks isn't just Assange, it's much bigger than him
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/mueller-indictment-russian-intelligence-hacking.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/mueller-indictment-russian-intelligence-hacking.html
She's being a huge idiot. She has immunity she was supposed to testify. She didn't. She's in contempt. She's going to jail. It's the law.
and Whew at that post trying to defend Assange and Wikileaks
and Whew at that post trying to defend Assange and Wikileaks
It is a betrayal. A betrayal to want to protect a Russian information service over your duty as a citizen to the US laws and courts.
Wikileaks is a bigoted organization who seeks to only "expose" a curated list of governments.
And won't think twice of going after say a Sanders government.
Stupidity is not bravery