Is there any real evidence of this? It feels like something companies think they have to do, to make a statement, because that's what they think society expects. But there are zero examples of a company not doing it and getting punished for it by actual consumers.
Judgment (Judge Eyes in Japan) Sold Through 97% of Stock, Nagoshi's Thoughts on Pierre Taki's Arrest
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I mean this whole thing is fucked up. The sad reality is that this dude was caught looking at terrabytes worth of child porn his likeness would still probably be in the game judging by precedence.
I live in a country that has the capital punishment for drug trafficking, and drug culture is by no means normalized here. When people are arrested for drug possession they aren't scrubbed from society. Lets not pretend there is only one way to approach anything and that it is correct and should be applauded.
Is it all that crazy to think that it’s stupid as shit to have your life destroyed over this? I think this article makes some pretty good points:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...y-thinks-celebrities-embroiled-drug-scandals/
It seems like the tides are shifting in terms of public opinion in Japan. This excerpt definitely stands out:
With that in mind, apparently Japan almost completely blacklists individuals accused of crimes of a sexual nature which I can generally get behind. The US is WAY behind Japan in that regard. Having said that, they only ever seem to apply that to their own people as I’m sure any record store in Japan would be happy to sell you Thriller.
Tell that to the authors of Toriko and Kenshin. The former was busted for paying a 16 year old for sex, while the former was busted for having a large collection of child pornography in his possession. Neither served any jail time at all despite being convicted for their crimes, and they continue to work actively and enjoy a large fanbase.
Nice to read Nagoshi's comments on the matter. It is a pity it took a scandal for it to sell through its entire shipment though, oh well, hopefully some of those buyers were buying it to actually play, they are in for a treat as the game itself is fucking fantastic. Also a pity that Judge Eyes 2 and 3 aren't coming (yet) though, I'm totally on board with any sequels we get for sure.
Nice to see Nagoishi's thought on the matter. I am also sad Pierre had to go through this because he deserves help instead of getting his life destroyed.
I fully understand why they needed to do this as every company is doing it. The situation is really backwards especially when compared to how Japan handles pedo stuff. Hope this improves but seeing who is in charge I doubt anything would happen.
I am sure there are tons of Japanese people who don't believe in this nonesense so I hope their voices get heard one day
People who use drugs shouldn't do so but in most cases they do it to get through tough shit or have a problem with it. Instead of destroying someone's career for something they did to their own body they should help them rehabilitate like every human being deserves.
You know what else is drugs? Alcohol and yet people keep defending and excusing it even though it kills people (wether it is their own body or through drunk driving). It is hypocritical.
I fully understand why they needed to do this as every company is doing it. The situation is really backwards especially when compared to how Japan handles pedo stuff. Hope this improves but seeing who is in charge I doubt anything would happen.
I am sure there are tons of Japanese people who don't believe in this nonesense so I hope their voices get heard one day
No, you don't get it.
People who use drugs shouldn't do so but in most cases they do it to get through tough shit or have a problem with it. Instead of destroying someone's career for something they did to their own body they should help them rehabilitate like every human being deserves.
You know what else is drugs? Alcohol and yet people keep defending and excusing it even though it kills people (wether it is their own body or through drunk driving). It is hypocritical.
Keep in mind that there are notable people in Japan that actor's work and his drug use must be separated. However in Nagoshi's position, I understand that doing nothing is almost suicidal on SEGA itself, since there are also folks who would use any chance to crash video game industry (or entire entertainment industry altogether).
This is getting a bit off-topic but there is a difference between legal and illegal drugs. Illegal drugs you need to obtain from dubious channels part of bigger clandestine operations involving many human lives with an immense negative cost on all societies involved. Also, tobacco and alcohol (tho still bad for anyone's health) effects pale in comparison to the health effects of continued consumption of cocaine, and that's not even touching on how much more addictive it is. Japan has created an stigma around those types of drugs to avoid those problems, and this is why nobody wants to be associated with cocaine consumers. I think it is a bit extreme, but I can see where it is coming from.
I still cant believe how overblown this whole issue is in Japan when theres so many bigger problems haha. Interesting, guessing on PC there will be mods to get original actors likeness/vocals etc back if people cared enough about the original character. Of course Sega took the right measures in what they did.
Is it that different when alcohol results in more deaths? Unlike cocaine (which is still bad) alcohol affects not only the person using it but those around them. Driving under influence is one of the biggest reasons we get so many people dying each year. Cigarette's are obviously not that harmful (though still very selfish because it pollutes the air because some people don't have the decency to do it away from non smokers).
The person doing cocaine is the one destroying himself and only himself. Sure you can argue it could cause families to split apart but that is still not as huge as someone getting drunk and killing someone by accident. If anything should be done about cocaine it should be rehabilitation. Criminalising drugs should stop being a thing.
Just gonna drop this here:
This guy gets caught with some christmas snow and is literally (not even figuratively) publicly ostracized, both professionally and personally. I'm not saying I do not support anti-drugs enforcement, but the punishment is too hard (since i believe these matters should be more about rehabilitating someone rather than punishment)
No, what makes this absolutely appalling is the fact that the author of the Ruroni Kenshin manga (probably mispelled title) was caught and charged with possession of child pornography. But guess what? After a few months, the current arc of the manga resumed putting out chapters. This dude who got caught with drugs will be professionally shunned for years.
This guy gets caught with some christmas snow and is literally (not even figuratively) publicly ostracized, both professionally and personally. I'm not saying I do not support anti-drugs enforcement, but the punishment is too hard (since i believe these matters should be more about rehabilitating someone rather than punishment)
No, what makes this absolutely appalling is the fact that the author of the Ruroni Kenshin manga (probably mispelled title) was caught and charged with possession of child pornography. But guess what? After a few months, the current arc of the manga resumed putting out chapters. This dude who got caught with drugs will be professionally shunned for years.
Its already risen in price following the news. Going by Amazon at the time it jumped from around 5000 yen to between 8K-15K. And I'm guessing when the game goes on sale again (in Japan) the new version will include Nu Hamura on the disk, with a patch released to patch in the new version of the character. So the only way to get the proper original version will be a physical launch copy of the game. It sold a few hundred thousand though, so there's plenty of copies out there in the wild, so no idea if the increased price will stick, or whether it'll drop down to more sensible levels in the future.
You do know that cigarettes is like the biggest killer right.
This whole story is one of the dumbest, most inane things i have ever seen. Because some dude did cocaine. Not because he killed or raped someone, not because of child porn, not because he's a vicious bigot or a genocide denier. Because he snorted some cocaine and harmed no one. Unbelievable.
Especially since it never launched in the west. I can see a lot of collectors willing to pay quite a bit to get a original copy just for the novelty.
Probably the most ridiculous blown out of proportion story I’ve seen this year. Sure it’s in Japan’s culture, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be criticized. This sums my feelings up pretty well—
This is simply the case for every incredible SEGA game... Happens time and time again.
Yet, a shit Sonic game or those new Shining Force games will still sell like hotcakes and people will keep parroting that 'SEGA makes bad games.' Its the SEGA curse.
Indeed. Honor and shame are a huge part of Japanese culture. If you support disgraced public figures over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is that the Japanese public, after hearing about this, was not going to want to purchase Judge Eyes, nor will they purchase any of Sega's other games, if they didn't halt sales. This is HUGE. People can laugh all they want, but Sega would have alienated an entire market if they didn't halt sales (or remove Taki).
Hell, Sega dodged a huge bullet here... directed at their own foot, no less.
Alcohol isn't a lightweight when it comes to dangerous drugs. It is probably fairly comparable to cocaine. I have also read a fair amount of articles, from reputable sources, that suggest that it is more addictive than cocaine. It is also the drug that does the most harm to society worldwide (though that is largely more to do with how accessible it is). Let's not forget that Marijuana is substantially safer than alcohol, far less addictive, and orders of magnitude less likely to be involved with violent offences, and yet Japan still treats it as if it is a very dangerous drug, while celebrating alcohol like a god.
The reason you are under the impression that the "effects pale in comparison" is because alcohol has been normalized. Truth be told, the person getting wasted on the weekend, and the person doing lines on the weekend, are essentially the same. The only difference is the alcohol abuser gets to feel self-righteous about their unhealthy drug abuse.
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I always like this gif. The thing I really loved about Yakuza 5 is how much over the top cartoony stuff occurred in that game.
I stand with Nagoshi and Sega. You simply can’t have the creators of the Yakuza franchise be seen to endorse criminal activity.
Nagoshi answering diplomatically as if his game has yet to go on sale in other markets. Nothing surprising or shocking here...
ah yes cocaine legally producted in japan from biological cultivations
If your point is that the traffic of illegal drugs takes a toll on innocent people due to the criminality that it involves, maybe attack the problem itself, which is the illegality of said drugs. The act of ingesting cocaine hurts literally nobody but potentially the person doing the ingestion. Everything else around it is a failing of policy. Fix that instead of lazily and cowardly shunning and criminalizing people for doing whatever the fuck they want with their own bodies.
do you even understand how the japanese public and society reacts to these scandals? it would blow up massively, potentially leading to a boycott of all sega products. Thats not only in Japan the case, but in a lot of asian countries
wether its the music, gaming or film industry.
i mean we are speaking about the country that forced a girl (jpop group) to shave her head and apologize in front of the camera, because she had a boyfriend (iirc)
or look at Korea, where a boyband member of Big Bang (kpop group) was caught smoking marihuana and became the scandal of the whole nation, leading to a suicide attempt
Different cultures have different morals. Taki knew what he was doing and what could happen, letting it slide would only encourage others (especially celebrities) to do it.
In the end the English version is not even getting delayed. The game gets way more press and exposure for this so it is only going to have a positive impact on everything outside of the man himself.
You think that is just? Jesus...
I mean, I would sorta get "understandable", as drug use in Japan is a giant, hypocritical blind spot. But "just"...?
Some of you people are deeply indoctrinated or have twisted, authoritarian worldviews.
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And some morals are wrong.
Encourage others to do what? Enjoy themselves?
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Are you actually serious? Ignoring the fact that it is illegal for several good reasons, it is an openly dangerous substance. Making and distributing cocaine in Japan is something people literally die over too, it is seriously a shady business.
You said being a vicious bigot or genocide denier is worse, but how are those things hurting anyone? Maybe people that do those things enjoy themselves after all!!
Spreading bigotry does harm other people though. Just ask the 49 people shot in New Zealand what bigotry cost them.
I guess that applies to every country then. We can't criticize what Saudi Arabia does because they have different opinions on stuff!
Japan will end your career for snorting coke in your own apartment but do absolutely nothing if you have terabytes of child porn on your computer.
It's indefensible no matter how hard you try.
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What on Earth? I understand that you're against the illegal drug use, but isn't this extreme?
That is clearly way more than just bigotry.
Hand waving this as an illegal trafficking issue is absolutely maddening.
It is sarcasm. None of this should be acceptable. I do not believe in the theory of 'only hurting yourself' when it comes to substance abuse.
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I can understand someone losing their job over illegal drug use, but I'm surprised so many feel that scrubbing him from everything he's done recently and potentially going to prison for seven years for possession (I'd bet he'll get a lighter sentence since he's admitted use and appears to be going along with their investigation for his source) is completely fine.
When I moved back from Japan to the US, I found that some of my friends had started doing cocaine while I was gone. Kinda freaked me out, especially when people were doing it at parties I went to. I don't think they're bad people, though. I hope that they don't get addicted, and I hope they stay safe. It seems obvious to me that drug traffickers and dealers are an issue, while those using drugs don't deserve serious sentences. I can't relate to the idea that drug use should cause one to be imprisoned and shunned by all of society, and I say this as a person who doesn't even smoke pot in a state where recreational use is legal.
When I moved back from Japan to the US, I found that some of my friends had started doing cocaine while I was gone. Kinda freaked me out, especially when people were doing it at parties I went to. I don't think they're bad people, though. I hope that they don't get addicted, and I hope they stay safe. It seems obvious to me that drug traffickers and dealers are an issue, while those using drugs don't deserve serious sentences. I can't relate to the idea that drug use should cause one to be imprisoned and shunned by all of society, and I say this as a person who doesn't even smoke pot in a state where recreational use is legal.
I get that Japan is different culturally on this issue, but I do think it is a disappointing and archaic attitude.
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Absolutely.
I remember my second night living in Japan, we had a Japanese friend who was modeling and DJing, so we went to see her at this invite-only club in a less-populated part of Shibuya. When we arrived to the after party, there were dudes just smoking weed on the street. They asked if we wanted any, and we're like, "No thanks. We don't really want to go to prison or get deported." It's serious shit. I go to parties in the US where people are doing illegal stuff, and I just mind my own business. In Japan? I don't even want to be in the same place, especially as a foreigner.
