If only there were large corporations involved with extensive resources who could moderate the abusive behavior.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Just a taste of what women might experience online
- Thread starter Deleted member 4461
- Start date
Thank you. All it literally takes most the time is one team mate saying "dude stfu and play the damn game."
All the women want to do is play the game.
Your only suggestions so far is that the women need to modify their behavior.
Kindly understand why you're getting pushback on your solution.
I think part of what pushed me away from multiplayer, aside from just not liking it all that much, is voice chat. Some people love it, but I can't stand it. If I was playing with a group of friends I'd be fine with it. But random people? Nah, I have no interest at all in that.
"Xbox record that"
I mean does MS not accept video proof of the harrass to?
It was already bad in 2007 when I was new to online gaming. I can understand if people only want to play with their friends online.
The Siege community at launch was such a breath of fresh air. Genuinely mature and respectful adults having a good time. That was before all the teenagers and COD crowd latched onto it.
Shit like this is just embarrassing and awful.
Shit like this is just embarrassing and awful.
What are you talking about? You realize the one who recorded that video is actually the woman being harassed, right?
And if you're still wondering why nobody spoke up is because they were all actively harassing her. Yes, that's the point we're at.
That's tame compared to the compilations I've heard. Not saying this isn't an issue, more like my expectations were rock bottom to begin with.
I do think game companies need to actively fight this stuff. The fact that they remain silent is just them giving their approval for awful behavior.
I do think game companies need to actively fight this stuff. The fact that they remain silent is just them giving their approval for awful behavior.
Okay, no joke... I had no idea that it's THIS bad for females.
These guys simply couldn't deal with a female joining them to play a game. What's frightening here is how old these guys sound. Maybe I could've envisioned 8-year-old males acting like this, but these are young men.
And, no, this sort of thing doesn't happen to 'everyone'. If you're a male you don't immediately have people talking like this to you the second you say something. She was attacked... just for being female.
OP, thank you for posting this. This video disgusted and enraged me. I'm astonished... just astonished... that not one male had the fucking balls to stand up to the other males and tell them to shut the fuck up.
These guys simply couldn't deal with a female joining them to play a game. What's frightening here is how old these guys sound. Maybe I could've envisioned 8-year-old males acting like this, but these are young men.
And, no, this sort of thing doesn't happen to 'everyone'. If you're a male you don't immediately have people talking like this to you the second you say something. She was attacked... just for being female.
OP, thank you for posting this. This video disgusted and enraged me. I'm astonished... just astonished... that not one male had the fucking balls to stand up to the other males and tell them to shut the fuck up.
Why I play single-player...
Not to excuse anyone who does play online, though. There should be harsh moderation and reporting in place for these games. I haven't touched online modes in years so I probably should withhold myself from the conversation. Still, it's disgusting and has been going on for way too long. I have a feeling it has even gotten worse recently. I urge anyone to stand up to these kinds of people, though. Easier said than done, I assume - it does take some courage despite the anonymity. Ironically, said anonymity being partially the reason for such behaviour.
Not to excuse anyone who does play online, though. There should be harsh moderation and reporting in place for these games. I haven't touched online modes in years so I probably should withhold myself from the conversation. Still, it's disgusting and has been going on for way too long. I have a feeling it has even gotten worse recently. I urge anyone to stand up to these kinds of people, though. Easier said than done, I assume - it does take some courage despite the anonymity. Ironically, said anonymity being partially the reason for such behaviour.
The anonymity is the worst part. People feel they can say whatever they want and there will be no repercussion even though they are hurting people on the other side. I spoke out against people like this a few times when I played LoL, but it all just became so toxic that I had to just quit all together. I really dislike being labeled as a 'gamer', even though I play tons of games, I just feel like it's a super negative term because this immaturity is what comes to my mind.
And you think with things like e-sports becoming a more televised thing, you would start to see examples of normal human beings that play games (and I am sure there are a good few examples in there) but you still see a ton of players getting pulled from teams for being racist/sexist/homophobic on streams/tournaments.
Yup
Yup
I also wonder what power removing usernames would have. Obviously not for the whole multiplayer mode of a big game, but perhaps on a certain playlist.
"ranked
"non-ranked"
"non-anonymous"
Or in Fortnite it something:
"singles"
"duos"
"Non-anonymous singles"
"Non-anonymous duos"
Etc
See how people behave when it's their real name up there.
How would this be possible? I don't see how real-time moderation would be a thing given the number of sessions across each ecosystem.
I suppose voice data for every player could be stored for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how feasible that would be either.
I suspect that a required subscription is enough of a barrier to keep a decent number of the harassers out.
However, ESO, being pay-to-play and cheap ($10 for a digital copy on sale, less for a used disc), can be really bad. Lots of sexual harassment through text chat if you have even a vaguely female-sounding name, lots of randoms following female players around, dudes repeatedly positioning their character to make it look like they're holding hands with you or giving you a lapdance (while you're waiting for something to spawn, so it's either put up with it or miss out), plus the usual and old af shit ("girls are trash at video games", "make me a sandwich", etc.) Equipping an item that shows the name of my (women-only) guild over my character brings out alllllll the weirdos and creeps. I report and send screenshots of the worst in text chat, but how do you report someone for just following you around for 30 minutes?
Same here. Makes me fear the day my daughter wants to chat online. Thank GOD Nintendo is ass backwards with voice chat and I don't have to worry about her having to deal with the scum online. She loves playing Splatoon 2 and Minecraft online with her Switch.
WTF is this shit? I hope all of those dudes got banned. Just gross and disgusting behavior.
Silent report that brings in an invisible moderator into the voice chat who can then action it. For starters... With yeah a temp storage of sound data so the mod when brought it can review what has been said.
Agreed a hundred percent. I was on a fireteam with a dude who said "that's pretty gay" when Saladin said "You look pleased" during Iron Banner. I asked the guy why, and continued to ask him what he really meant by it and eventually he questioned himself. Sometimes a mirror is all you need.
I'd rather no have people who have no problem making sexist comments be able to know my real name and find me thanks. Facebook plugin comment sections should tell you that anonymity means nothing.
I'm seeing a disconnect, all right.
So people who play games you don't approve of are the ones at fault and should be harassed? Thanks for the empathy.
Also a suggestion; if a sentence forms in your mind that starts with "nobody should be harassed because of who they are, but...", perhaps don't complete the thought, or at least don't commit it to written form.
Guys have to start saying something. My homegirl STILL doesn't VC on online games and we both started online gaming back at the advent of it in the early 2000s.
Dudes who don't say shit about it need to constantly shut it down whenever they hear it.
Same here, but idgaf, let them call me a white knight. Better than being a harassing mouthbreather.
Did you watch the clip in the OP? Would you say that strategy was effective?
Even if they're not, I think enabling it or giving it a pass is at least as bad because it is a reason it can propagate unchallenged.
What's just as frightening here:
All you have to do is read through this thread, and it becomes blatantly obvious that right here at Reset Era we have males amongst us who could easily be one of the males in this video.
It's actually quite interesting that some of you guys are revealing yourselves without even realizing it.
All you have to do is read through this thread, and it becomes blatantly obvious that right here at Reset Era we have males amongst us who could easily be one of the males in this video.
It's actually quite interesting that some of you guys are revealing yourselves without even realizing it.
LOL. You really think Blizzard would do something about toxic behavior after ignoring it for so many years?
Ubi just implemented a report feature for toxic behaviour, that's what it's there for.
The reality is that kicking them does nothing. You can do it if you like but nobody really cares in casual because it takes them a grand total of 10 seconds to find a new match and it'll result in an auto-loss for you anyway.
Casual mode in Siege is rife with absolute tossers. With no stakes involved, every game involves a barrage of mic spam, ladder tking, abusive chat, you name it.
If people still abuse the reporting system like they used to, you'd have to have a lot of moderators to cover every report. I still don't think real-time moderation is possible.
Temporary storage of voice data, messages, and sending in gameplay videos as proof of abuse (you can do this on PS4, don't know about Xbox or Steam) would go a ways to helping, assuming Sony/Valve/MS/Nintendo get serious about policing toxic behaviour.
We are discussing this within the context of gaming. What happens in other mediums has no relation to what's going on, right here, in this thread where the topic is about gaming.
The fact that you had to comment to defend this pre-fabricated idea of 'gamers' says a lot honestly
The difference being that when you end that session the harassment goes away. Women don't get that luxury.
Also remember that when they're busy harassing you, at least they're not harassing her. Seems like a small price to pay for giving someone a respite from this bullshit.
So in every game ever played, every team member that one woman has is an asshole? Your telling me there's not one person that could have said cut this shit? This is one video of many. One game of many games that get played. Obviously there are situations where an entire team can be idiots, but I highly doubt that its statically all the time.
It is not just shooting games. Any game that keeps score in some way is plagued by such behavior. I would encourage you to go to closest park near you and watch, or better yet play, a couple of hours of pickup basketball (really any team sport). There will be a ton shittalking (not just the typical trashtalking) that crosses the line there as well.
Agreed. Although anonymity is not the only factor. As we know Internet forums and comment sections are full of folks, using their real FB profiles, harassing others as if it is going out of style.
Last edited:
and just like this girl you just either just let them talk or just close the voice chat and keep playing like a boss
assholery is not gonna disappear from the world anytime soon.
I understand the intention of pointing out that the player in the video is decent at games, but this vitriol isn't acceptable regardless of your skill level. To some degree I think the video is complicit in that too, though it's to highlight the irony of these men telling her she sucks even though she was MVP.
Even if a female player isn't doing too hot, she doesn't deserve to be harrassed for her gender.
Even if a female player isn't doing too hot, she doesn't deserve to be harrassed for her gender.
Online gaming community need to change. Seems like the options are mute or have your own party.
It's one of the reason why I stop playing Dota, and women have it worse.
It's one of the reason why I stop playing Dota, and women have it worse.
It isn't trolling, it's generally being a piece of shit and should be labelled as such.
You are missing the point, it doesn't matter whether or not this happens every time or even most times, it matters that it happened at all. It's unacceptable that this happens to anyone at any point.
Are there any social MMO games where people communicate without the toxicity? I mean, you can't avoid the occasional asshole, but are there games with a very relaxed player base?
I remember Pangya was pretty good. I played solo or tournament matches, and at worst it was people making lame golf puns.
I remember Pangya was pretty good. I played solo or tournament matches, and at worst it was people making lame golf puns.
Thanks for literally pulling statistics out of your asshole rather than challenge your preconceptions that the situation might, indeed, be that bad. I would direct you to watch the Overwatch video above which has a couple dozen instances of men acting like that to women with zero other men calling them out, but I'm sure you'll also dismiss them all as cherry-picking.
Please continue to tell yourself that these are all black swan events in a sea of kindness and empathy, so that you can sleep better at night. Wouldn't want you to be upset or change your way of thinking just because women are being literally harassed out of games.
I think you are misunderstanding me. My view is that by saying comments like "gamers are awful" minimizes the problem at large. Yes, it is a massive problem within gaming, but also with the culture at large. What happens in other mediums does have a relation in creating a environment that normalizes this type of behavior.