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Just Cause 4 renders as low as 720P on base PS4
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No that is a good one too, it's just a shitty one for the consumer if they are duped into getting the console version after seeing PC reviews
The game won't have had the biggest budget compared to other AAA games and it does a lot of stuff with destructible environments, sacrifices will have been needed
Considering that's the case, visuals suffering instead of performance was the right call
I agree it's shitty to hold back console versions from reviewers
That's the thing. This games odes stuff with physics, explosions and destructable objects that no other game does.
It's the same damn thing with people shitting on Skyrim or Fallout and don't calculate for the physics and objects in these worlds.
This gens cpus are fucking trash and nearly no big game uses physics and advanced ai stuff because of that.
Again, the game has "rushed out" painted all over it. 90% of these technical issues arent because of 'sacrifices'.
PC version has lot's of pop-in issues as well tho. It's not about weak hardware here. Avalanche are not that good at optimising their games.
Yeah even JC3 looked like a CPU test when you exploded everything. I'm not surprised this is even more demanding given what I've read.
I'm really interested in performance figures for the game. 4k max mid 40s with a 1080ti and 9900k. I'm not sure what that means for me with a better GPU but worse CPU. Also not sure how that translates to console with their stark difference in CPU.
That's part of the point.
People don't want optimisation. They want high framerate while running at ultra settings on mediocre hardware.
Why do you think CPU stress be affected by resolution? These consoles have shared bandwidth between CPU & GPU and things like resolution, alpha transparencies etc while being GPU centric still require a set amount of bandwidth. The CPU in the other hand requires a set amount of bandwidth as well and since the game is so heavy on physics it requires a lot more of it than in other games. Yet there is only so much bandwidth that can be used so something has to give so that the performance doesn't end up being bottlenecked because you are trying to push more than the available bandwidth.
By lowering the quality of transparencies like water & fire (two things that are extremely common and found everywhere in abundance in this game) or lowering resolution these components won't take as much bandwidth, thereby allowing the CPU to keep doing its thing.
This is showing how clear it is that a lot of people can't see past graphics/resolution. This is why Sony and Microsoft push that they're consoles are 4K machines (even though they're not for the most part) because that is all most people see. Rather than thinking why those explosions look so good, or a particular scene looks amazing. It's generally not the resolution, its the computing and the physics going on in the background. It's takes a fair amount of CPU resources for great lighting, dynamic explosions, NCP AI to act realistically or believably, this list is almost endless. I for one am happy they have favoured performance over resolution.
The CPU on the PS4/XBone were old when the consoles actually released, they weren't able to change the CPU much for the Pro/X other than a slightly higher clockrate that some games can take advantage of, but are still limited by the base system hardware.
The CPU on the PS4/XBone were old when the consoles actually released, they weren't able to change the CPU much for the Pro/X other than a slightly higher clockrate that some games can take advantage of, but are still limited by the base system hardware.
Maybe so, I don't know the full development history of the game
My first comment in this thread was disagreeing with people using this game to justify a new generation being needed right now
Don`t know if it is that easy. Not even complaining about the graphics. It does not have to look as good as Horizon or RDR and have all that crazy physic stuff, but it sure could look better. And it sounds like it could run better on Pcs, too.
Bike controls in JC3 were fine, I don't see why they would change them . The issue was with the cars, which got fixed in 4.
I'll agree with the cutscenes being a weird kind of trash. It's puzzling why they didn't make them real time cutscenes since there's really nothing in them that justifies prerendered. On the other hand, I don't give a shit about cutscenes in a Just Cause game
That's crazy though, JC2 and Mad Max ran like a dream even on weak hardware. Seems to me that they're trying to cram too much fancy graphics tech for a game that asks you to destroy stuff, not look at it.
WTH ,,, this looks like last gen games.uncharted 3 on ps3 was better looking than this lol.yea yea , i know physics and open world and stuff but this type of graphics is not really the norm this gen .I took the below screenie last night on my 1X playing on a 4K screen. Sorry but I don't believe this was the best they could do.
And how about those textures!
Oooof! Did they resolve eventually? How long did it take?I took the below screenie last night on my 1X playing on a 4K screen. Sorry but I don't believe this was the best they could do.
And how about those textures!
That awful tree texture has to be a streaming bug, an oversight or any other technical issue. I know the game does a lot of things but that can't be right.
Not surprising that it's bad on consoles again. Perhaps they're overly ambitious with their engine scaling properly on the base consoles and it just doesn't in its current state.
Not surprising that it's bad on consoles again. Perhaps they're overly ambitious with their engine scaling properly on the base consoles and it just doesn't in its current state.
If thats where i think it is(1st relic mission) it doesn't resolve. Thats just how it looks like.
Embarrassing post. One subpar game in light of stuff like RDR2, GoW, Spider-Man, and Detroit in the same year just means that the subpar game is subpar.
They need to hire Boogie2988, he's good at finding the middle ground.
yeah, basically
There's only so much you can do to optimize.
As long as gameplay's intact i guess ?
Still can't wait to read DF findings
also cant compare the respective development budgets
And not just that. JC4 is very different in structure.
RDR2 doesn't allow you to hop on a plane and zoom a dozen miles into the sky anytime and still see the landmass below.
Everything in RDR2 is very carefully crafted and placed around draw in. Saint Denis doesn't have mountains near it for a reason; it can never be seen from a distance.
JC4 has to brute force its way so that tech doesn't come in the way of freedom.
I don't know if they could do better because again, there's nothing quite like it to compare
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But these games are not very ambitious on the CPU side. All graphically impressive PS4/XOne games out there focus on detailed models and effects. AI or physic calculations play almost no role they focus lies on eye candy.
Its characteristic that one of the most impressive physic engines this gen runs on a Switch game, despite the fact that even the CPU of the base PS4 has more power, but for BotW the developer had been willing to sacrifice eye candy for other things.
Just because Avalanche can't optimize their games doesn't mean we need more powerful hardware right now. Hell, Red Dead and AC: Odyssey just came out.
Yet they have the most powerful console now.
Regardless, those posts were hyperbolic fanboyism
Turn up the brightness and look at the dark spots. This isnt me fiddling with settings because the game doesnt even have brightness settings outside of hdr.
And then tell me what kind of raw horsepower proper color grading wouldve needed
This becomes exponentially worse underwater and in caves where theres no localized light sources.
Considered the bandwidth on the X I'm not so sure how solely the bandwidth was the issue. Even in the case they could opted of a sort of reconstruction or CBR like Ubisoft. It's not like on pc has no issue neither. Honestly I don't think was the best possible port. And by the way, I thought ps4 has dedicate gpu resources for the physics.
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Said this a few days ago just seeing that early footage from IGN - it seemed to me that the PS4 Pro version was dipping under 1080p at times which is insane. Looked like the X was hitting around 1080p and slightly above just from eyeballing Youtube footage. Just a guess though.
Really interested to see DF's breakdown on this one, it seems to ensure smooth performance they've had to crank things right down, which feels like a somewhat scrappy way to solve things.
Really interested to see DF's breakdown on this one, it seems to ensure smooth performance they've had to crank things right down, which feels like a somewhat scrappy way to solve things.
Yes they do.
The question was regarding the original One, not the X, and since there used to be quite a big resolution difference before on PS4 and One, I imagine it was an honest question.
Hyperbolic of course, but honest.
I'm 100% fine with the lower resolution. But this also just shows how we need to adapt the mobile method of releasing consoles more often. Base consoles every 4 years with a "Pro" or "S" model in-between. We're at a point where there shouldn't be problems running PS4 games on PS7.
JC4 is a far cry from far cry 5's graphical quality that's for sure.
Wait, is it a fairly poor effort, or a piss poor effort? It can't be both! I need to know!
He's talking about the One, not X. One is the weakest console JC4 is on. Don't see how that is hyperbolic.
This is the first thing I thought about too, lol.
Oh, because the base consoles don't exist anymore. Didn't you hear?
I really hope ps5 in 2019. I can't survive to stuff like this for other 2 years.
Ps5 will be out in Fall 2019 or more probably Spring 2020. It's not going to be 2 year, but more like just a bit more than one year of waiting.