You can't gain performance by decreasing resolution when it's physics calculations on the CPU that are causing performance issues.
They boned up on the GPU side where there are plenty of resources, especially on Pro and X.
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Just Cause 4 renders as low as 720P on base PS4
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They boned up on the GPU side where there are plenty of resources, especially on Pro and X.
Ps5 isnt going to fix 90% of this game's problems. Devs can always be forced to rush shit out no matter what the target hardware is.
Yes.Biggest problem is garbage Jaguar cpu in consoles,it has to go away asap.
I'm going to try and play it on an orginal Xbox One today(dependent on if it gets delivered today or not), so I'll showcase what I assume will be a shitshow.
Erm
You do realize GPUs are capable of processing physics, yeah? (See : Nvidia Physix)
If you have a really shit CPU to work it, you will have to offload part of the physics calculations to the GPU. Which yes, will have a effect on resolution.
This is also a game unlike any other though and X's is running at a higher resolution most likely so the higher available bandwidth will be used up regardless. Other games shy away from use of physics while Just Cause is pretty much nothing without the physics. JC3 wasn't optimised for the 8 cores on consoles which caused the performance issues back then but this one is and is why you see an increase in performance.
And you wouldn't really use GPU for physics that much, not this kind of physics at least. Additionally you can only offload so much to the GPU and when you offload to the GPU you are putting further constraints on what and how much it can do which again...will lead to performance issues that can be mitigated by resolution drop.
Considering console codes weren't sent out till today, I'd say it'll be a little while.
You start hearing about stuff like this towards the end of the gen where lots of compromises are made to push graphical effects. Time for a new gen I think. Ambitious games like these simply not made for the laptop cpus of current gen consoles.
This isn't the point. A missing splash effect is more of an artistic oversight, adding a simple texture does not have a meaningful impact on performance.
They had to optimize for the moments when there is just mayhem on the screen, so the fps won't tank like in JC3. This means a lot of compromises because base hardware is very weak.
If they implement larger shadow draw distance, other stuff has to give. They are working with a very limited budget.
he could genuinely end up being correct. base xbox 1 might be around 600p as it is 35% weaker than PS4 . we had many instances when PS4 was 900p and xbox one was 720P. so it is really not hyperbolic to say that honestly
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Base XB1's CPU is stronger than base PS4's.
JC4 seems to make heavy use of the CPU, so I could see the game performing better on XB1 than on PS4.
It's the first time by the way I heard lower resolution mitigate cpu deficits. I always knew it can help in some way but so much...I don't know what to tell you still no convince me at all. The lower resolution has always used to stress out the max cpu capability on pc, how can't affect in a bad way the cpu on console too, it's weird.
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It's not stronger just a tiny faster. And nonetheless JC3 runs even worse on xbone. I doubt suddenly the table has been reversed.
It's not mitigating cpu deficits. I've already explained why a CPU intensive task can bottleneck performance on GPU side on these consoles due to the nature of shared bandwidth and as a result lead to optimisations such as lowering resolution. And not only that, atleast in playstation's case it actually also lowers the total available bandwidth as CPU utilisation is increased.
And what you are talking about on PC is basically creating a test environment where the game is never GPU bound so that they can stress the CPU to its limit. That's why they'd lower the resolution, not because lowering the resolution magically increases CPU stress.
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Any evidence that this is done in Just Cause 4? Resolution dipping because of physics calculations in particular? Seems far-fetched to me.
OP mentions resolution dropping without much going on. That contradicts your theory.
Yeah, I'm also on board with "next gen can't come soon enough". Most games aren't really ambitious when it comes to underlying game systems. All of Avalanche's incompetence left aside this game still proves that current gen consoles can't handle complex physical calculations. And the stuff Just Cause 4 is going for is simply amazing. As I've said in the other thread, I would bet my ass that the tornado is the main reason why the game has to look like a last gen title on consoles and isn't a looker on PC either. Just keep in mind that the tornado can pick up hundreds of objects with some causing their own explosions. I still would've prefered if they left the tornado out and instead made more structures destructable.
I'm playing on the X and I wouldn't be shocked to be find out that it rarely reaches 1080p. It's an incredibly ugly game. At least the performance is solid though.
A most recent example would be RDR 2 with a resolution difference of 1080p vs 864p. If base PS4 drops as low as 720p, 560p is certainly not outside the realm of possibility.
Well we are not going to get great hardware from the start I bet. So expect this stuff to keep happening next gen to some extent.
Artistic oversight lmao.
Anyone with functional eyesight can notice that the second you approach water.
Hell the color gradation issue is visible in the first 5 minutes when you enter a cave.
If youre in hdr its in the main menu itself.
Gonna go out and say it, but this gen consoles should have been 900-1080p at 60FPS without exception. The race to make your games look pretty made games overall feel like a step back because they just don't respond as well. I'd much rather have a not as nice looking game that runs better than one that runs like dog poop to make sure everything is pretty. This isn't just the case for Just Cause 4, as I understand here it's most likely a CPU related issue.
If the next gen of consoles doesn't support 60FPS in all titles by either design or the option to toggle between that and fancy mode, I might have to skip out. I'm at the point where 30FPS and lower makes me sick, and I'm not talking because it upsets me but because looking at it will literally make me feel nauseous.
If the next gen of consoles doesn't support 60FPS in all titles by either design or the option to toggle between that and fancy mode, I might have to skip out. I'm at the point where 30FPS and lower makes me sick, and I'm not talking because it upsets me but because looking at it will literally make me feel nauseous.
I don't understand what exactly is wrong from what I said. I never said the cpu is magically stressed.It's not mitigating cpu deficits. I've already explained why a CPU intensive task can bottleneck performance on GPU side on these consoles due to the nature of shared bandwidth and as a result lead to optimisations such as lowering resolution. And not only that, atleast in playstation's case it actually also lowers the total available bandwidth as CPU utilisation is increased.
And what you are talking about on PC is basically creating a test environment where the game is never GPU bound so that they can stress the CPU to its limit. That's why they'd lower the resolution, not because lowering the resolution magically increases CPU stress.
Ehh, this is gonna get a YIKES!™ from me. I really hope this has a remaster on next gen at some point.
A dynamic scaler *is* reasonable balance. From the wording, doesn't sound like the game is locked to 720p native, but drops to it to maintain performance.
The biggest complain people had with JC3 was the performance. This is an improvement over JC3 as most people/places say the performance is at least consistent this time around.
i'll wait for DF, but even if true, i dont know why its a big deal. nioh did the same thing, spent most of its time around 720p. Its just a matter of the CPU and GPU being used to a max limit for the physics in JC4 versus 60fps in Nioh
Well, kiss all your open world games goodbye. Desktop CPUs run too hot for consoles.
Amazing how many people are using this one game as an excuse to dump on other fans of videogames, or call current consoles no-longer-capable.
WTF. "will not repeat the same problems". But new are welcome.Yeah, no shit! (I swear JC2 looked better on the xbox 360)
Yeah, no shit! (I swear JC2 looked better on the xbox 360)
Blimey!
Considering how JC3 was a slideshow at launch and only got worse with each update, this is fine if the performance is solid.
If the performance is good then I dont see the big issue. JC games have never been known for their graphics, especially on consoles. 720p is a low resolution, and I wouldn't want to use it on a large display, but I would choose the game lowering its res, rather then be hit with big performance drops. Its not locked 720p, but a dynamic solution.
The original Xbox One is weaker than the original PS4. The question of how poor is the performance on the base Xbox One is a valid one. Your responses have been poor.
Should I post the performance threads full of issues for Hitman and AC Odyssey?
I have a gaming PC too, and that often is a headache of it's own. JC4 just seems to be a mess in every regard, I don't think consoles are really at fault
Yeah, i understands that the game pushes the CPU.
But there's no excuse for the textures, unfinished areas and all kinds of bugs that are happening right now.
I think they ran out of time. And im surprised that considering everything, the reviews are good as they are
But there's no excuse for the textures, unfinished areas and all kinds of bugs that are happening right now.
I think they ran out of time. And im surprised that considering everything, the reviews are good as they are
Are we sure this game doesn't use GPU acceleration for some of the physics?
I'd be surprised if they aren't.