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Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Underwent Cancer Treatment (Tumor Removed. No Further Signs of Infection)
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Again, it's really hard for me to surmise this without knowing the details of the cancer. There are various types that affect the pancreas. If her initial cancer (2009) was a ductal adenocarcinoma it's quite frankly a miracle she is alive. If it was a benign tumor then it's expected.
The common bile duct runs from the liver to the small intestine, where it meets up with the pancreatic duct; together they release their contents into the intestine. In the case of a tumor, the bile duct can get compressed or blocked off distally, in which case you can insert a hollow tube (stent) to prop it open.
She should have stepped down when she had the chance under Obama.
Now i'm not sure she is going to make it 17 months :/
Hang in there
Now i'm not sure she is going to make it 17 months :/
Hang in there
And again, the responsability of the Democratic party is to win elections. If the democratic party selects underperforming candidates, it's their resposnability.
The thing is she IS well right now. She's been making public appearances during her treatment without anyone knowing anything was wrong. The worry is she'll get sick again down the line.
As someone who also works in the medical field... Yeah, this is usually a bad sign.
However, perhaps it's not a primary tumor. Maybe this was a metastases of the lung cancer she had treated last year.
If this is a primary pancreatic tumor, though? Yeah, that's a real problem.
Yeah it's possible. But the fact that a lung met would be considered the better of two options should give us pause.
Yeah at the superficial glance that we have I agree.
I was taken aback by "malignant" tumor in the pancreas. Was expecting a Whipple procedure may have been done as it was in close proximity to the duct. However again this is just conjecture. Hoping that it's all good and she can speedily recover. She's definitely a fighter.
I want RGB to stay alive as much as any other Dem but she chose this back in 2014.
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Pancreas AND cancer is quite often a very very bad sign. If the mass in her lungs is from her pancreatic cancer, more likely than not we are talking terminal disease. As in months left. I wish her nothing but strength and as much joy as possible in the coming future.
Moscow Mitch salivating at another opportunity to fuck over the Democrats as we speak. It's what he lives for at this point. He doesn't care about legislating.
I said what I did only because that was the exact excuse used by Mitch when he refused to even have a vote for Garland.
Edit- I expect the answer from Mitch to be "That was only because at that time there was no incumbent."
Right. If a Whipple wasn't performed... One would have to assume it's not a primary tumor of the pancreas, no?
She beat it 10 years ago and this news report confirms she beat it just now. She's an amazing combination of vigilant, active and optimistic. She rarely misses work, treats her cancer in her off time, and continues her schedule as normal, continually beating cancer every time they find it newly wrought on her body.
At this stage she's not dying from cancer. She's just so old that the likelihood of developing cancer is high, so they just attack it every time it shows up
Stop. Her old ass should have retired at 80. She is selfish.
That's precisely why I voted for Hillary in 2016.
Would've been nice is she had retired in 2012 though.
As is everyone claiming what she should or shouldn't have done with her own life.
Staying or going is her choice.
Nope. Unfortunately the extremely undemocratic section of the Legislative Branch gets to make those decisions.
Her choice is likely to impact hundreds of millions of people and change the course of this country for generations in a horrifically negative way. It's damn well our business.
I mean yes it is literally her choice but it shouldn't be shielded from criticism when her choice has a huge affect on the rest of the population.
Saying it is "her choice" is meaningless. Her choice has consequences and right now it's most of America having a panic attack when she sneezes. I sincerely hope that's the only consequence.
It is her choice. She chose wrong. She chose the path of her ego over what was best for everyone.
I think that's too difficult to say from our vantage point. Could be a non-PDA that was simply in proximity to the duct but resectable without a whipple being necessary. The anatomy there can be highly variable.
Or worst case it's unresectable PDA and the stent is for comfort.
You know how people occasionally say "actions have consequences" in the context of Trump, implying that "you should know better than to not vote D"?
Well it's like that with RGB. Yes, it's her choice, but it had consequences. She gambled on her legacy and the public will probably pay the price.
Well it's like that with RGB. Yes, it's her choice, but it had consequences. She gambled on her legacy and the public will probably pay the price.
Yeah, the fact that they didn't do a Whipple is giving me pause. The only reason not to do one if it's a primary pancreatic cancer is pretty much that you've already decided that it's futile and opted for palliative treatment instead. Even more concerningly, placing a biliary duct stent is a common palliative treatment for pancreatic cancer...
I mean sure, it's all conjecture and all, but I really, really don't like what I'm reading in that article.
Yeah I agree, which is why I have a bad hunch. I've seen this type of story with similar circumstances a few times before. Would love to be wrong.
She didn't get a Whipple. She most certainly got a distal panc/splenectomy a decade ago. How do I know this? Because there is no real "common bile duct" remaining after a Whipple. Plus it's hard as shit to do an ERCP after Whipple. IR can place a stent transhepatically, but the ducts would have to really dilated to do that. And that would be a really bad sign.
The other reason why I know she didn't get a Whipple is because the original pancreatic tumor was serendipitously found in the body, not the head. That's a distal panc. She certainly can have a recurrence affecting the head. Whether that's adenoCA, PNET, whatever, I would consider radiation treatment palliative or experimental.
Wouldn't you have to assume that it's not primary, then? I feel that she would a Whipple even if the odds for success were low, if this is indeed a primary tumor.
Wait, I'm confused- She was also treated for pancreatic CA in the past? I thought she was only treated for lung CA?
I'm thinking of the fourth patient I met when I started as a primary care doctor. Previously healthy 58 year old, referred her to a specialist on suspected pancreatic cancer the next day when I got the bloodwork back, radiology confirmed it within days after that. Too late anyway. Inoperable. Eventually got a biliary duct stent and palliative chemo. Dead within a year from me meeting her, almost to the day.
Fuck pancreatic cancer. Goddamn nightmare. She didn't even smoke or drink. Fucking thing just swooped in out of nowhere. I'm really. really, really hoping RBG has something else. ANYTHING else.
No, Whipple is an absolutely mutilating procedure with poor odds of success. You only do it under optimal circumstances and even then if only you're almost completely certain it hasn't spread. If it has, all you risk accomplishing with it is making the patient's final months way more painful.
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Yeah agree, she definitely did not receive a whipple in her first resection, otherwise it is unlikely to have a stent placed now. It's the placement of the stent now that is alarming. Like you said a recurrence in the head would be bad, double so if it's PDA.
Oh fuck it's pancreatic cancer? That is not good at all. I fear the worse now unfortunately.
