Believing someone by default is and was never a reasonable idea.
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#JusticeForJohnnyDepp trending following Amber Heard admitting to hitting and throwing pots, pans, and vases at Depp in leaked audio [See Staff Post]
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Believing someone by default is and was never a reasonable idea.
You could believe women with out vilifying someone else immediately.
Not believing women would be going backwards. When things don't add up though (and i don't mean "but he is my favorite actor he couldn't possibly do it") you shouldn't shut that down.
I'll put this politely. Y'all gotta stop centering yourselves in someone else's victimization
Jesus fucking christ
From September
I love the " Depp had agreed to keep documents private until he misread her OP-Ed and got mad " .
Fuck off
From September
I love the " Depp had agreed to keep documents private until he misread her OP-Ed and got mad " .
Fuck off
To anybody that has a partner that's even so much as hinted at gaslighting their abuse to you as you abusing them, please leave.
I have a friend that told us this was happening to him, we urged him to leave for months. She ended up accusing him of assault (not legally only publicly) and said he did the things we witnessed her do to him.
luckily, I had the notes and he had the receipts to file a harassment order of protection.
but most abusers don't make it that easy to prove. Some people are really fucked up in this world.
Which of course is certainly not to say don't believe women. We can understand the faults in the justice system and society in general in how survivors of assault rarely receive justice while simultaneously recognizing that although the threat of abusers leveraging the movement is minuscule, it's real.
I feel a lot of us were taken for a ride with this Depp controversy, I know I was.
I have a friend that told us this was happening to him, we urged him to leave for months. She ended up accusing him of assault (not legally only publicly) and said he did the things we witnessed her do to him.
luckily, I had the notes and he had the receipts to file a harassment order of protection.
but most abusers don't make it that easy to prove. Some people are really fucked up in this world.
Which of course is certainly not to say don't believe women. We can understand the faults in the justice system and society in general in how survivors of assault rarely receive justice while simultaneously recognizing that although the threat of abusers leveraging the movement is minuscule, it's real.
I feel a lot of us were taken for a ride with this Depp controversy, I know I was.
I hope that people start to realize that when "me too" was founder, by a WOC no less (and that keeps getting lost in the discussion), she meant it for all genders, not just women, because abuse and harassment doesn't have just one face.
Look at Terry Crews, Brendon Frasier and, crap cant think of his name but he played Mark in Rent. All men who, at first, got side eyed a bit because they are men after they came out with their assault and harrassment. It's not fair that actual abuse victims are left un dangerous situations because they are men. Johnny should be at these conferences if he wants to. Not Amber.
People need to pause and think a moment. Yes listen to the victim that comes out, but it is okay to ask legitimate questions if there are things that are not adding up. It's not being a bad person. The truth is something should be known, and questions help lead to it. It's when people spin those questions into disingenuous aspects that screw things over, but saying, "Hold on, we can hear them out but also they had a previous situation with another person who was attacked by them. Perhaps we should see if there's more to it than what we seeing." Is not bad, its if you're using that to paint a picture for an entire group of people where the problem is.
We really need to stop seeing domestic violence as just a woman issue and allow for men, trans, and same sex partners to have their voices heard. We are not doing anyone any favors by putting our heads in the proverbial sand.
Look at Terry Crews, Brendon Frasier and, crap cant think of his name but he played Mark in Rent. All men who, at first, got side eyed a bit because they are men after they came out with their assault and harrassment. It's not fair that actual abuse victims are left un dangerous situations because they are men. Johnny should be at these conferences if he wants to. Not Amber.
People need to pause and think a moment. Yes listen to the victim that comes out, but it is okay to ask legitimate questions if there are things that are not adding up. It's not being a bad person. The truth is something should be known, and questions help lead to it. It's when people spin those questions into disingenuous aspects that screw things over, but saying, "Hold on, we can hear them out but also they had a previous situation with another person who was attacked by them. Perhaps we should see if there's more to it than what we seeing." Is not bad, its if you're using that to paint a picture for an entire group of people where the problem is.
We really need to stop seeing domestic violence as just a woman issue and allow for men, trans, and same sex partners to have their voices heard. We are not doing anyone any favors by putting our heads in the proverbial sand.
Dont give this link a click please.
Also if you check twitter you can see random accounts posting identical sentences with this article...
Wonder who is hiring bots heh. It's crazy how she is always projecting.
This is rich, because Johnny has to defend himself as having had to use just that in the actual audio tapes.
Oh yes of course, she hit him due to him hitting her 🙄 hard to believe that when in the audio tapes he talks about how she flips out whenever he walks away from her when she has outbursts. Let's see twitter defend people sticking around to get hit.Dont give this link a click please.
Also if you check twitter you can see random accounts posting identical sentences with this article...
Wonder who is hiring bots heh. It's crazy how she is always projecting.
When he is on recordings saying "we have to step away from each other, either for a hour or a few hours" is the language of someone trying to prevent violence from happening
Dont give this link a click please.
Also if you check twitter you can see random accounts posting identical sentences with this article...
Wonder who is hiring bots heh. It's crazy how she is always projecting.
Man what the fuck.
This is basically the same shit that happened with Greenpeace in the 80s-90s: People so addicted to "being right" and Fighting the good fight", that they entrench in their positions and stop actually *thinking* whatever they're right or not.
Its the double gaslight maneuver
Start off by accusing the victim of accusing them of abuse when the abuser is "only retaliating".
For some, admitting they were wrong is tantamount to admitting defeat. Everything is win or lose.
I'm sorry to see that Johnny was dealing with all of this and that his substance abuse is being used against as well since there's way too much stigma aground that. When news of him being an abuser first surfaced I wasn't keen on it being used against him then either as there's already too much stigma around substance abuse. Like with other people I hear stories about, I pause any engagement with their work. I stayed up on it here and there and when I learned of her past abusive behavior and those in his life saying they'd never seen it, I began taking more of a wait and see approach and thought that it was a different kind of toxic relationship and put her in the same bucket. I hope he gets help and support going forward. I hope that she is held to task for piggybacking off of other people's trauma to build herself up.
Oscars isn't it? Like anyone will say anything there :/ Heard is attending though
Then nothing will be said. If there was a Ricky Gervais type up there, then yeah something probably would have been said. But then he would have said a bunch of other foul shit and ruined it
Sure, there are people on the left that are disingenuous, vindictive and can't own up after they get caught on their wokepoint hunt. But I don't see how anyone else is more owning up to their bullshit either, or how this is some sorft of leftist trademark.
Have you ever heard a Trump supporter say he lied or was wrong about something, or fucked something up? And those people support a far more dangerous and hateful cause than whatever hyperwoke feminists who can't see the forst for the trees support.
Neither is nominated right? Unless they are presenting. Hope to God they keep them far apart and Depp has his friends around to protect him.
Something in general may be said. But no ones going to stand up there and scream out she's a liar.
Something in general may be said. But no ones going to stand up there and scream out she's a liar.
If it got leaked tomorrow that the audio tapes were all spliced together bullshit and his finger almost getting cut off was some buddy in Hollywood doing some FX trickery I would be the first person to say I was wrong. Which is alot more than others are willing to do.
This whole thing is so fucking depressing. Every one of these shit articles are just...infuriating. No one gives a shit about male victims in this country.
Sure, but those others who aren't willing to do that aren't predominantly represented on the left.
There is like 60-75% participation dip in this thread compared to past threads on the subject ....we will call it the Pre-Audio Tapa Era. That bracket of people don't lean left, they are left. If it wasn't for the small participation of people in this thread this story would have fell off the front page after the first hour. It's a recurring theme that happens on social media at large when the tables turn. So it doesn't just effect the left, but in this case for this discussion that's the make up of the forum here.
There is another trend in this thread I noticed. A lack of participation from Community Resettler Advisors, Verified Users and Mods. When people like that post in a thread it dictates the direction a thread goes. They are influencers here, People who I'm sure were present in past threads on the subject. It's safe to say they appear to be taking the US media approach to the matter. Which is a little dissapointing but it is what it is.
End of the day that's a meta discussion for another day on human behavior on social media forums.
Let's see if Hollywood reacts at all tonight.
We had one of those in the previous thread that got locked, was all in on the 'both sides are trash' take and got called out on it. Seeing how outspoken he was a few years back against Depp and those not convinced by the Heard allegations. Got reported but of course the mods did fuck all with it.
So maybe it is better those people stay out, seeing as the direction they want the thread to go was 'fuck Depp'.
What I don't get is that, I know we can't change the world. If people feel it's a "both sides" situation, we can't convince them otherwise.
Anybody that ever was in an abusive relationship knew instantly what happened after listening to the tapes. (helped by the fact that her case was dismissed with prejudice and all charges dismissed)
But what she has done afterwards ?
When he had never said a word of this and tried to move on, she used a honest platform to make it seem like it was one sided, out of spite and greed, to destroy him and elevate herself.
She has since been posing as a paragon of light and virtue, against domestic violence.
If you don't think this is vile and despicable I don't know what to tell you.
Anybody that ever was in an abusive relationship knew instantly what happened after listening to the tapes. (helped by the fact that her case was dismissed with prejudice and all charges dismissed)
But what she has done afterwards ?
When he had never said a word of this and tried to move on, she used a honest platform to make it seem like it was one sided, out of spite and greed, to destroy him and elevate herself.
She has since been posing as a paragon of light and virtue, against domestic violence.
If you don't think this is vile and despicable I don't know what to tell you.
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
If you look into her reponses to the people arguing against her article, it's evident she's grasping at straws to defend domestic abuse by women.
This double standard boils my blood.
I wouldn't expect anything to come of this. The court case isn't even starting until August or something and despite the attempts to blow this up, it's still a very personal thing between two people. Hollywood isn't exactly going to start alienating her and even if Depp wins the case, the most that'll happen is a bunch of suits will say they always believed he was innocent and can't wait to work with him again.
That's what I'm saying, I listened to the tapes and related immediately. The whole walking away until your partner cools off thing? It's the only logical thing to do in those moments. I'll never forget I had this Rastafarian frog ashtray, I loved that thing, had it chucked at my face and smashed against a wall because I didn't want to stick around and fight for the 500th time. I don't understand how techniques and steps used to diffuse high tension situations are not applauded.
He was already innocent in the eyes of the law. (charges dropped + case dismissed with prejudice, which means she can't ever refile it)
This is a defamation case, completely different.
And he can also absolutely lose. Proving she abused him doesn't legally mean he didn't abuse her, and she can also claim mental illness + not naming him to get out of it.
As a public figure he has to prove 100% "malicious intent". It's a bit fucked up.
In fact I highly suspect they are trying to make the pressure unbearable for Heard to force her to settle again because they may "lose" but her reputation will be completely destroyed anyway.
This is what she made him sign in the Divorce suit :
Which is why it's "leaking" and not shared officially.
The new suit will not have these clause because Depp refused them this time.
So even if he loses on technicalities, his truth will be out. And like I said above, even if you think "both sides" still apply, her lies and behavior remain unacceptable.
It's just ridiculous. And there is something I hadn't caught, she tells him she needs security and she fears abandonment, that's why he said "I thought marrying you would make the fights stop but it got worse".
This is really sad.
What an awful person. It's clear she doesn't have a shred of empathy for Johnny and is grasping at straws. Sad I gave it a click.
Harsh reality is that speaking up for Johnny equals admitting that Believe Women is not 100% infallible.
The thing is it was never meant to be infallible. We've twisted it into "oh you don't believe every single woman at their word? oof! yikes! sus! side eye!". But that's never what it was meant to be. You can believe women while still acknowledging that the man should have the opportunity to defend himself and prove his side.
I agree, as I said earlier ITT.
Looking online it really does seem that most people are behind Johnny now with only a core group hunkering down. I think the media don't chase it because their is no value to them to do so right now, I hope what appears to be a trend of support for Johnny grows to the point they see that value and act.
Ofc, I would prefer they just GOT the value without the incentive, but male abuse victims being dismissed is still a huge thing.
This entire thing is shameful.
Tbh if you look at her IMDB doesn't look like she's working much. So it's probably started well before we the public were aware of these tapes.
Her only newly announced project is Aquaman 2 for 2022 and she can easily be removed from that.
And after those tapes, a producer will look at her and probably say do I want the press run for this movie to be focused on her potentially being an abuser.
So she won't be 'blackballed' per se but less people who makes the decisions will want to work with her.
Someone started a Change.org petition to remove her as the spokeperson for L'Oreal
While that'd be great, I don't think I see this happening anytime soon.
Someone started a Change.org petition to remove her as the spokeperson for L'Oreal
I don't think there *is* an official "metoo" Twitter, but lol. This is...to call it gross would be putting it mildly. They straight up don't wanna be wrong.
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