Kancolle Community |OT| - Torpedo Cruiser? I hardly knew 'er.

iRAWRasaurus · Nov 17, 2017

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Under certain conditions, a bug will be triggered in PvP and you will receive negligible XP. Devs are working to quickly resolve this issue, kindly do not PvP for the moment

I am at 30k fuel :lol but I guess theres a resource disappearing bug or something ? Saw it mention in the reddit kancolle discord. And PVP is currently bugged and works if you fight one ship.

kuroneko0509 · Nov 17, 2017

instead of event mechanics/map bugged, pvp is the one that's affected? lol

iRAWRasaurus · Nov 17, 2017

kuroneko0509 said:
instead of event mechanics/map bugged, pvp is the one that's affected? lol

I prob should have edited that now since its been fixed. My bad :P

anderedna · Nov 17, 2017

PvP bug was caused by the logic of taking the 2nd ship only for experience. If the other fleet only have 1 ship, close to 0 experience obtained. Fixed before PvP reset.

Rewards doesn't look that good tho. I'll try clearing on hard after a few more days. Also, need AS to unlock boss node mechanic is crap lol. 3 locks is nice tho.

kuroneko0509 · Nov 17, 2017

anderedna said:
Also, need AS to unlock boss node mechanic is crap lol

haha wat

anderedna · Nov 17, 2017

kuroneko0509 said:
haha wat

Next arrive at nodes P and O, and achieve Air Supremacy (Medium and Hard only) at node E to unlock the route to the Boss node.

Due to the high air power requirements of node E, it is highly recommended to use as many seaplane fighters on your CAV as possible in order to reach AS+ after lowering the enemy air power with the help of the LBAS (recommended a base with 4 fighters/interceptors).

It is also possible to sortie Akitsu Maru with 3 fighters to increase the fleet's airpower and thus make achieving AS+ easier.

E1 mechanic

firehawk12 · Nov 18, 2017

Shouldn't be a problem for vets anyway with all the seaplane fighters.

kuroneko0509 · Nov 19, 2017

oh man this is really a good read about frontliners
https://www.reddit.com/r/kancolle/comments/7din0m/misc_behind_the_scenes_what_happens_in_the_first/

iRAWRasaurus · Nov 19, 2017

Interesting read.

New shipfu

firehawk12 · Nov 19, 2017

If someone is using KCV can they post screenshots of the translated event quests?

For some reason no one is bothering to update the wikia or reddit.

anderedna · Nov 19, 2017

Watched Daxyn restreamed ZuiZui.

First 3 and half hours. Still figuring out how to unlock the boss node. Many damegami used. Most probably need to go through all node and get AS on air raid nodes.
Slept for 3 hours, woke up to last dance. First LD failed with NB taiha party. 2nd LD Yamashiro goes zerk and kill the boss. Some screws, some medals, report and Shinden Kai 4 only, which is basically reppu AA + shinden kai evasion with some armor and acc. Doesn't looks like worth for all the salts doing hard. Also easy also need to kill 5 BB wall? Sigh.

firehawk12 · Nov 19, 2017

Yeah 10 AA makes it seem kind of pointless... but then again, you sort of want to collect everything. But I don't tihnk I'm going to bother. Having to farm E3 doesn't help either.

I wonder how many damecon he used. I counted at least 8 when I was watching the stream, and I missed the majority of it.

anderedna · Nov 19, 2017

I saw like 4 damecons used in one battle. 2000 Yen equivalent. 20 slots lol.

I might want to try E1 today. Shiplocking aren't that bad this time.

firehawk12 · Nov 19, 2017

anderedna said:
I saw like 4 damecons used in one battle. 2000 Yen equivalent. 20 slots lol.

It's funny watching people brute force the maps. lol

anderedna · Nov 20, 2017

Cleared E1H, coz why not :)
I just want to test the water, but ends up clearing it on hard.

Overall took 17 sorties.
Unlocking: 3 to unlock the map via visiting node, 2 sorties because of I failed to read the guide properly, and 6 sorties to get AS at E node!
Boss: 6 sorties, 5 reached the boss with 4S and 1A(LD), all with boss kill. 1 failed at air raid node O as Ushio freeze after seeing 3 Nu class carriers - it can't be helped here as she just got the AACI task, handed to her by Teruzuki.
Ship used: Ashigara KN, Nachi KN, Abukuma KN, Kasumi KN, Ushio KN, Suzuya K, Akitsumaru K, Teruzuki K(I might be screwed by using her here lol).
Support expedition: Not too useful here. ASW node support is kinda not too reliable as we still yet don't know the optimal setup, and subs seems not equipped with scope in this map. Boss support used in LD but failed to do much damage, not even killing the DDs.

Seriously, just do medium here. Easy looks easy, however you'll miss out the rare and useful recon plane.
Hard aren't that hard actually. Not much resource used either.

Qikz · Nov 20, 2017

I 100% need to try and finish E4 if I can. She's so nice!

firehawk12 · Nov 20, 2017

anderedna said:
Cleared E1H, coz why not :)
I just want to test the water, but ends up clearing it on hard.

Overall took 17 sorties.
Unlocking: 3 to unlock the map via visiting node, 2 sorties because of I failed to read the guide properly, and 6 sorties to get AS at E node!
Boss: 6 sorties, 5 reached the boss with 4S and 1A(LD), all with boss kill. 1 failed at air raid node O as Ushio freeze after seeing 3 Nu class carriers - it can't be helped here as she just got the AACI task, handed to her by Teruzuki.
Ship used: Ashigara KN, Nachi KN, Abukuma KN, Kasumi KN, Ushio KN, Suzuya K, Akitsumaru K, Teruzuki K(I might be screwed by using her here lol).
Support expedition: Not too useful here. ASW node support is kinda not too reliable as we still yet don't know the optimal setup, and subs seems not equipped with scope in this map. Boss support used in LD but failed to do much damage, not even killing the DDs.

Seriously, just do medium here. Easy looks easy, however you'll miss out the rare and useful recon plane.
Hard aren't that hard actually. Not much resource used either.

I'm still wondering what to do for E1, since I've seen people use CVL, LHA or CAV here. I guess Abu/ Kasumi/ Ushio/ and one of the CAs is the standard 4 ships you should use since you'll need them in E2 anyway?

anderedna · Nov 20, 2017

Qikz said:
I 100% need to try and finish E4 if I can. She's so nice!

I'd suggest doing Medium, Medium, Easy and Easy. The Medium rewards for first two maps are on par with hard mode.

firehawk12 said:
I'm still wondering what to do for E1, since I've seen people use CVL, LHA or CAV here. I guess Abu/ Kasumi/ Ushio/ and one of the CAs is the standard 4 ships you should use since you'll need them in E2 anyway?

If you're going hard, combination of CAV, AV and LHA is required to unlock the boss route. CVL only usable in E2 for one time shortcut unlock. For medium, no need to think about it at all at E1.

E1H fleet: Link in case imgur still not fixed

I went LD with this fleet, same as any pre LD runs. Not that efficient as Suzuya SPF are basically not that useful.

firehawk12 · Nov 20, 2017

I wonder if the hard mode planes are worth E3 and E4. So much suffering for both maps though.

anderedna · Nov 21, 2017

I think E3 worth it. E4, nah... I'm going medium as last event.

Also welcome to the base Tsushima.

15 runs (I like this new drop list from KC3):

Imgur fixed already right?

firehawk12 · Nov 21, 2017

Dat Akashi drop.

anderedna · Nov 21, 2017

Yeah. Didn't expect her to drop there. Hayasui as well.
I already have 4 cranes, now I've 5. Not sure if I should keep and level her.

iRAWRasaurus · Nov 21, 2017

I thought about trying E1 and E2 on medium, but I lack the AS to do so from LBAS and I only have one CAV. Regardless my best drop so far is Katsurag, which drop for me after a few runs. Keep seeing people mention doing 100 runs without her dropping.

anderedna · Nov 21, 2017

iRAWRasaurus said:
I thought about trying E1 and E2 on medium, but I lack the AS to do so from LBAS and I only have one CAV. Regardless my best drop so far is Katsuragi, which drop for me after a few runs. Keep seeing people mention doing 100 runs without her dropping.

Congrats on obtaining her. Aim to get Unryuu next for SCAMP.
Yeah, for new players, medium is a tad hard without good ships and equips, but E1 seems doable, if you have adequate resource.

Done E2H last night. I used safety build where the route is a bit longer(extra 1 node), but able to bring a FBB and a CVL along, which really helps.
Bringing only 5 daihatsu reduced 36TP for A rank or 52TP for S rank. It seems really slow, but it's reliable. I even got S rank on LD at boss node even with upgraded enemy fleet.
Also LBAS full bomber on L node + Vanguard formation there really helps in avoiding early retreat. Actually I never retreat from that node after using that combo.
Node & boss support not used at all.
Not bad for extra 2 model guns.

iRAWRasaurus · Nov 22, 2017

anderedna said:
Congrats on obtaining her. Aim to get Unryuu next for SCAMP.
Yeah, for new players, medium is a tad hard without good ships and equips, but E1 seems doable, if you have adequate resource.

Done E2H last night. I used safety build where the route is a bit longer(extra 1 node), but able to bring a FBB and a CVL along, which really helps.
Bringing only 5 daihatsu reduced 36TP for A rank or 52TP for S rank. It seems really slow, but it's reliable. I even got S rank on LD at boss node even with upgraded enemy fleet.
Also LBAS full bomber on L node + Vanguard formation there really helps in avoiding early retreat. Actually I never retreat from that node after using that combo.
Node & boss support not used at all.
Not bad for extra 2 model guns.

What was your fleet setup? I might as well try E2N. I think I can barely get AS on node C.

edit: Yep my current ASW is lacking. Gonna try upgrading my sonar and depth charges to see if that helps. But if its this much of a pain, its gonna be worst trying to farm E2N node J.

anderedna · Nov 22, 2017

iRAWRasaurus said:
What was your fleet setup? I might as well try E2N. I think I can barely get AS on node C.

edit: Yep my current ASW is lacking. Gonna try upgrading my sonar and depth charges to see if that helps. But if its this much of a pain, its gonna be worst trying to farm E2N node J.

Not using my home laptop now, so can't give exact setup. I did use 3 OASW ships tho.

S rank node J: OASW ships: Abukuma KN, Teruzuki K, Kasumi KN. ASW ship Ushio KN. Cleanup: Ashigara KN, Nachi KN, Suzuya KN.
AS node C: OASW ships: Abukuma KN, Teruzuki K, Kasumi KN. AACI ship Ushio KN. Aircraft Carrier: Suzuya K, Akitsumaru. Bring along since why not: Ashigara KN.
AS node D(lol): OASW ships: Abukuma KN, Teruzuki K, Kasumi KN. AACI ship Ushio KN. Aircraft Carrier: Suzuya K, Akitsumaru K, Ryuujou KN.
Boss kill: Ushio KN(AACI), Kirishima KN, Nachi KN, Ashigara KN, Ryuujou KN (Fighter mull + fighter-bomber), ABKM KN (Opening + 2 daihatsu), Kasumi KN(Full daihatsu)
Underline are historical ships - more damage.

iRAWRasaurus · Nov 22, 2017

Having no luck getting AS on node C. Gonna try a different fleet setup then if that fails, going to easy. I wanted that prototype toukai :(

But I did manage to S rank E2N node J.

Qikz · Nov 22, 2017

On E1 still, not really done too many runs. Have unlocked the route to the boss in my previous one though!

iRAWRasaurus · Nov 22, 2017

:lol I manage to get AS on node C on my last attempt before switching to easy. Loaded up alot of Type 0 recon seaplanes and Zuiuns.

anderedna · Nov 22, 2017

iRAWRasaurus said:
Having no luck getting AS on node C. Gonna try a different fleet setup then if that fails, going to easy. I wanted that prototype toukai :(

But I did manage to S rank E2N node J.

Try putting a full bombers on LBAS and aim that node. Hopefully they snipe the carrier and you could gain AS. Be warned tho, this will deplete your bauxite quite fast as the LBAS will not have any fighter power.
Alternatively, if you plan to go easy on E3 and E4, put your AVs here and equip them with seaplane fighters and bombers. Your baux will drain with this method as well.

EDIT: Wow. Great :)

Qikz said:
On E1 still, not really done too many runs. Have unlocked the route to the boss in my previous one though!

Still got 2 and half week.
E1 & E2 on 1st week, E3 on 2nd and E4 on 3rd. :)

firehawk12 · Nov 22, 2017

anderedna said:
I think E3 worth it. E4, nah... I'm going medium as last event.

Also welcome to the base Tsushima.

15 runs (I like this new drop list from KC3):

Imgur fixed already right?

So I got my Tsushima in one run. lol
I really don't understand this game sometimes. This means it'll take 2 weeks for me to clear the map now. :p

anderedna · Nov 22, 2017

firehawk12 said:
So I got my Tsushima in one run. lol
I really don't understand this game sometimes. This means it'll take 2 weeks for me to clear the map now. :p

Wow lucky. Clear the map and you'll get another :p

Still farming for potato ship at E3E. I got the floating potato. Underwater potato still missing. I probably need two more runs.

firehawk12 · Nov 22, 2017

anderedna said:
Wow lucky. Clear the map and you'll get another :p

Still farming for potato ship at E3E. I got the floating potato. Underwater potato still missing. I probably need two more runs.

On himeuta, people are saying that E3H boss node is easier to farm because you don't need to reset? Not sure.

anderedna · Nov 22, 2017

No need to reset at E3E J node either. You could continuously farm here without depleting HP bar and it's a guaranteed drop node as well. It requires Transport Combined Fleet tho.

firehawk12 · Nov 22, 2017

anderedna said:
No need to reset at E3E J node either. You could continuously farm here without depleting HP bar and it's a guaranteed drop node as well. It requires Transport Combined Fleet tho.

Oh does Fleet type determine start point then? I guess that solves that.

anderedna · Nov 22, 2017

Yes. Transport combined fleet always go to J node.
Surface task force go to Kitanda.
Carrier task fleet to go to the last boss node.

kuroneko0509 · Nov 23, 2017

does the community figured out what's the modifier for that new formation?
also dammit muscle memory keep on picking that for sub node lol

iRAWRasaurus · Nov 23, 2017

kuroneko0509 said:
does the community figured out what's the modifier for that new formation?
also dammit muscle memory keep on picking that for sub node lol

"With the new Vanguard Formation ships positioned in the latter half of the fleet are moved to the front as vanguard and escort the main force in the back of the formation. The vanguard ships are more likely to get focus-fired, but at the same time their evasion is boosted (This effect becomes especially obvious when using light ships such as destroyers). In return the main force that moved to the back of this formation has reduced firepower." Is this what you meant?

anderedna · Nov 23, 2017

I remember seeing the modifier chart with the new formation, but I can't find it anymore. Maybe just placeholder. Need more time for them to test it out.
However, the effect is real :)

Underwater potato still missing. Day-3 farm :(

Okay.. Did she really drop in this node?

firehawk12 · Nov 24, 2017

kuroneko0509 said:
does the community figured out what's the modifier for that new formation?
also dammit muscle memory keep on picking that for sub node lol

It's evasion boosting. Zuizui kept using it for E4 since it's all night battle nodes at the end.

anderedna · Nov 24, 2017

Yay! One ship left to get and she's a reward ship. No more farming :)

Glorious Shion joined the fleet:

Farming rewards. Keeping Mikuma for 20.3(3) guns, DE for HP/Luck mod and Takanami for 16th skilled lookout.
Yes, she dropped on the first S rank the boss node after I came back from work. 33 S rank :p

Lets see how bad Kitanda node in hard modo.

Qikz · Nov 24, 2017

how do you guys clear these maps so quickly? I haven't had even enough time to play since I unlocked the E1 extra nodes (not boss). I did do one though and didn't route to the boss. Do I need some historical ships or is it just a very high LOS requirement?

anderedna · Nov 24, 2017

I play in office lol. Also, wife not at home atm, so free time at home as well :p
Joking aside, I got a good amount of high leveled ships and okayish equips. Furthermore, I started with hard cap resources and buckets. Once the info is out, I just setup the fleet according to the info.

Which difficulty you're doing. If normal, need at least 1 historical ship (Ashigara, Nachi, Abukuma, Akebono, Kasumi, Shiranui, Ushio) and LoS around 20 (F33)

kuroneko0509 · Nov 24, 2017

iRAWRasaurus said:
"With the new Vanguard Formation ships positioned in the latter half of the fleet are moved to the front as vanguard and escort the main force in the back of the formation. The vanguard ships are more likely to get focus-fired, but at the same time their evasion is boosted (This effect becomes especially obvious when using light ships such as destroyers). In return the main force that moved to the back of this formation has reduced firepower." Is this what you meant?

i mean in terms of absolute percentage. like line ahead being 100% for surface fp while double line is 80%

firehawk12 said:
It's evasion boosting. Zuizui kept using it for E4 since it's all night battle nodes at the end.

i suppose +% for evasion is kinda hard to test, especially during event. guess have to wait until after event for ppl to do testing

anderedna · Nov 24, 2017

Wow. Kitanda on E3H last dance is something else lol. Have to use TCI to kill her.

10 runs, 8 of them reached the boss. 4 last dance tries. TP bar would be another pain :(

firehawk12 · Nov 24, 2017

anderedna said:
Wow. Kitanda on E3H last dance is something else lol. Have to use TCI to kill her.

10 runs, 8 of them reached the boss. 4 last dance tries. TP bar would be another pain :(

At least you got the potato. lol

anderedna · Nov 24, 2017

Man, TP phase is a royal pain.
Perfect LBAS defense is worse.

firehawk12 · Nov 24, 2017

anderedna said:
Man, TP phase is a royal pain.
Perfect LBAS defense is worse.

So hard is annoying then? lol

anderedna · Nov 24, 2017

firehawk12 said:
So hard is annoying then? lol

Yeah, very.
All for one [strikethrough]prototype[/strikethrough] air group asw LBAS bomber :'(

Need to get perfect base defense, most of the time occur in H node, which is a real pain to get to with only node support, and need a very high air power to get one perfect(mine was 660 combined).

firehawk12 · Nov 25, 2017

anderedna said:
Yeah, very.
All for one [strikethrough]prototype[/strikethrough] air group asw LBAS bomber :'(

Need to get perfect base defense, most of the time occur in H node, which is a real pain to get to with only node support, and need a very high air power to get one perfect(mine was 660 combined).

Can't you just have your bases full of interceptors?

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