Haha, of course hip hop would still exist. But it wouldn't be where it is currently without Kanye going left field and dropping an album about heartbreak with only 808 drums and autotune singing.
Dear native of the caucasus mountains, your knowledge of the hip-hop genre is incredibly limited. You really should take a step back and wonder what has put the battery in your back making you think you can speak from such a position of authority.
Indeed, I just think it's a little of a strong over statement. He certainly helped the popularity grow, particularly non gangsta rap. That doesn't mean he's credited for everything there on however IMO. Genres shift with time and rap still had lots of room to grow and still does.
this is just gonna end up being a photo op type play. same as the HBCU meeting
Haha go on then, enlighten me. I understand there were others so do not bother replying back with a list of your fav niche MCs.
You claim kanye changed the face of hip-op, so it is in fact you who need to qualify that statement? Did he influence a whole bunch of copycats? Did he outsell his contemporaries? Did either album reach new heights of critical acclaim Never seen by a hip-hop album?
For millions of people across the world, it is hip-hop.
1) He did, most notably Drake and Lupe Fiasco. Oh and Chance the Rapper.
College Dropouts success in the mainstream allowed new rappers to come in to the game without necessarily having the "gangsta/thug" persona. He showed record labels that rapping about such (at the time) unconventional subject matter could be lucrative for them. He did that shit again when he won the fw sales beef with 50 Cent in 2007.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
It is really a stupid thing for him to say, I honestly don’t even know what he thinks he means. I still like what he’s trying to do anyway, trying to get people to stop fighting and talk.
There was time many slave owners felt they were doing the best things for their slaves by owning them.
1) Neither Drake nor Lupe have remotely have a simiar album or sound to either college dropout or 808s. Im not familar with Chance the rapper.
I think he’s going for the “once you talk to the person you think you hate, you’ll find you probably don’t hate them. People are individuals, stop treating people based on groups and don’t put people in boxes” approach. I don’t think he’s a racist so I cant think of any other reason.
I suppose I can see your argument, to a point. I don't think he's a racist either, I think he's ignorant as fuck. But, I look at what he's saying to his millions of fans, many impressionable children and many or perhaps most African American, and it sickens me. But I have always been indifferent to Kanye for the most part, didn't really have an opinion one way or the other since his music isn't something I tend to listen to, so it must be harder to think negatively of him as a huge fan.
You mean what he’s saying about Africa Americans right?
In the same Nas, Dre, biggie, Pac yadda yadda are people's biggest influences.
I think it's both in a way, only because he wants you to agree with him and he's frustrated you're not. But yeah, he's definitely saying things only a certain kind of people would agree with so he's clearly thinking mostly of them.
Don't ever tell anyone their knowledge on hip hop is limited, ever again.
1) As someone has mentioned, Drake has spoken about how much of an influence Kanye West was to him. As has Chance and Frank Ocean. I found Lupe's first and second album very Kanye-esque in its style.
I think what dude is trying to say (and my take) is that Kanye's intention, which is admittedly stupid and misguided, was to sacrifice himself for the sake of forcing discussion amongst groups A and B. Obv I could be wrong. Regardless of intent, the delivery of whatever message he's trying to get out in his journey of finding himself, fucked him up big time. In this age, soundbites reign supreme and "slavery sounds like a choice!" was probably the poorest choice of words he could've mustered. The hat was a poor choice. The blind Trump support was a poor choice. He should've thought this through, but he admitted he doesn't think. He just 'does' as his feelings tell him to. That's dangerous for the point below:
Like Kanye is an asshat but is dumb to ignore the massive influence he has on at least mainstream hip hop
This is corny, what does his race have to do with you not knowing shit. College Dropout shifted mainstream rap, with multiple labels trying to find the next Kanye in terms of more common man/relatable, conscious rappers (Lupe, Little Brother*, Saigon, etc), and began the decline of east/west coast gangsta rappers dominating the genre.
He’s not talking to black people, cmon. A four hour conversation with T.I. about supporting overt white supremacists?
I think he's so ignorant he actually thinks he's helping and wants Black people to listen to him, but I don't disagree with what you're saying at all.
Man, I didn't even see this bit. This forum needs to stop assuming a posters race in attempts to try and shut them down! It's so unnecessary and makes you look foolish especially when you're dead wrong.
Thank you, this benefit of the doubt to people who keep showing us who they are isn’t healthy.
You know what? I was wrong and im sorry. I shouldn't of snapped like this. The whole thing has just pissed me off so much. It's so disappointing.
Lmao I love how it's still only about 30% despite increasing threefold
Every once in a while Kanye has a moment of inspirational clarity and we all forget.
Reminds me of that graph which illustrated strength of the economy, how Democrats felt the economy was doing, and how Republicans felt the economy was doing. With Democrats, there was a direct correlation of how they felt and the economic reality, while Republicans simply shot up when a Republican was in the WH and shot down when a Democrat was in the WH.
Let’s give it a few months (or even weeks) before trying to gauge if public opinion has actually shifted. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if he does a 180, he’s flat out said that a big part of the reason he’s doing this is because he gets a rush out of doing something he’s “not supposed to.” Self-identified Republicans might say they like him the day after hearing him say he likes Trump, but I doubt many are going to end up buying his albums and merch or seeing him live. Way too early for anything like this to be meaningful.
The Democrat bars barely moved.
This explains a lot. He has nothing to lose by doing this crap.
To see if it actually sticks. I’d bet opinion will be closer to 2015 levels a month from now, unless Kanye digs in with the Trump supporting. Considering the backlash and the fact he’s admitting he’s being controversial for the sake of being controversial, that seems unlikely.
