It's clear that he's trying to use black Trump supporters as an attack against us and is willing to use those who like the Blue Lives Matter flag and think that the Charlottesville rally was staged.
Kanye TMZ Live Interview: "When you hear about slavery for 400 years. ... That sounds like a choice"
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Ahh, so it's what I suspected and OVO is trying to redpill black people by getting them to consume right wing disinformation without letting them know what they're getting into.
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This is such a ridiculously dumb comparison. Making public statements about slavery being a choice that millions of people will see is in no way, shape or form the same as some metal band making music with satanic themes. A more apt comparison would be if these metal bands of yours thought it's super ok to burn churches or something and voiced those opinions on Twitter, maybe linked to some news about church burnings and gave it their blessing. That crosses the border from fictional/dark musical topics into the real world with a very real possibility to affect the world around them.
But hey, congrats for having no moral compass that informs your entertainment choices. Sometimes I wish I could be as ignorant as your kind of people who continue supporting people who do much harm in the world. Your support keeps these people relevant and gives them power to get their voices heard. It's not a victimless, harmless crime in the grand scheme of things.
The problem is that he's trying to get his fans/followers to align with Trump in order to "wake the fuck up". He's doing untold damage by pushing Trump's agenda on some who don't apparently don't know any better or take Kanye's extremely misinformed word as gospel. If anything people need to wake the fuck up and oppose Trump, not lull into an even deeper sleep under him. Supporting Trump is the absolute opposite of "waking up" because you're ignoring factual reality where real people are hurting because of Trump's message, agenda, and legislation. At this point Kanye does need to be told to shut the fuck up because his message is absolutely toxic.
I don't listen to Kanye West, and I never have. So I don't know what great evil you think I'm supporting.
I literally had a guy I played with online last night reference Kanye saying it wasn't required to be a democrat.
I don't think he was being sarcastic. He sounded younger so I didn't know how to respond.
But yes, Kanye's words sadly seem to carry weight.
I don't think he was being sarcastic. He sounded younger so I didn't know how to respond.
But yes, Kanye's words sadly seem to carry weight.
We're not talking about somebody who just votes differently or has a different opinion on taxes or some shit.
This dude says slavery was a choice.
That is not a simple political disagreement. It's objectively false, even ignoring the fact that it shits on generations of black people as if it's somehow their fault for having atrocities done to them.
And the fact that you would even sit there and go "yeah i dunno I listen to musicians i don't agree with all the time" means you at the very least lack perspective, assuming you're not being disingenuous in the first place.
There are few things worse than the “lol u guys are getting trolled and taking the bait” idiots which keep popping up in this thread.
One thing worse: the “I respect him for not changing his mind regardless of what people say” people.
Both very pathetic groups.
One thing worse: the “I respect him for not changing his mind regardless of what people say” people.
Both very pathetic groups.
I am sure I do lack lots of perspective on this as I am not even a Kanye fan at all. However, my first impression is that he didn't mean slavery was a choice literally in the historical record. If he does, just point anyone to a basic history class and this can be a refresher course on basic American history, and how it absolutely was not a choice at all, and a war was fought to break the institution of slavery.
I am assuming he is making a political point with some kind of exaggerated, artistic flourish on it. If he's going republican now, and buying into all their ideology about individualism and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, and telling people to not automatically vote democrat - it seems to me like the point he is trying to make is he thinks black people are too complacent politically, and he's conflating voting for democrats and conformity of thought with voluntary slavery to make his point in a superrrrrrrrr exaggerated way. So he's just another guy who decided to back Trump to go for "change," and is either 1) completely misinformed about Trump's policies, or 2) is a legit republican.
Is it an offensive exaggeration? Yes, I can see how that is deeply offensive. I just didn't think anyone was taking it at face value, since its so easy to prove slavery was not a choice.
What does it matter if it’s easy to prove? People today still believe the earth is flat, Sandy Hook was fake, black people deserve to be enslaved, women are built simply for male satisfaction and gay people are broken human beings despite all of these being out and out false. Kanye isn’t exempt from believing in and spouting rhetoric that’s proveably false. People literally do that all the time in all eras to justify nonsense mentalities, regressive policies and genocidal atrocities.
I covered that in my 3rd sentence. I don't know what he believes. That was just my take on it.
I love this “I going to project my feelings onto Kanye’s dumbfuck statement because I’m too much of a coward to say it myself.” nonsense.
First it was the whole “Black people should stop living in the past and get over it.” nonsense and now it’s “Bootstraps.” nonsense.
Kanye dumbshit is really drawing out other’s dumbshit, isn’t he?
First it was the whole “Black people should stop living in the past and get over it.” nonsense and now it’s “Bootstraps.” nonsense.
Kanye dumbshit is really drawing out other’s dumbshit, isn’t he?
So you're claiming that's what I think now and I'm a coward? Based on what?
It's certainly not based on my post, since I said clearly it was basic history that slavery was not a choice.
Where did I write that your interpretation of Kanye’s dumbfuck statement was you agreeing with it. Your interpretation is your true feelings about what black people should be doing.
I never once said what I think black people should be doing. I'm not a republican either. Can you quote where I said what black people should be doing? Can you quote where I said I agree with it in any way? I can quote where I specifically disagreed with it, multiple times.
Who wrote anything about you being a republican? Your interpretation of Kanye’s dumb but very clear statement is how you actually feel but don’t actually want to say it. So it’s this “I think this is what Kanye means.” nonsense.
Lets assume Kanye meant to make a misguided point about voting habits.
America is a two party system, so you're always stuck between choosing the least harmful of the two for you.
The real question there being, why have the GoP in like the last 60+ years consistently been the worse option for black voters in a two party system?
Also, Kanye doesn't "think" in any meaningful sense, so why are we overthinking his statement. I genuinely believe he think slavery was a voluntary thing.
America is a two party system, so you're always stuck between choosing the least harmful of the two for you.
The real question there being, why have the GoP in like the last 60+ years consistently been the worse option for black voters in a two party system?
Also, Kanye doesn't "think" in any meaningful sense, so why are we overthinking his statement. I genuinely believe he think slavery was a voluntary thing.
No it's not. I specifically said the opposite right here. Thanks for calling me a coward and a liar though, based on literally nothing but you being uncomfortable and mad.
You probably didn't know I actually have a history degree as well. But sure, I am just a cowardly liar because you say so, based on nothing.
The type of moron who would blindly follow Kanye West has been failed by the Democratic Party. If you’ve ignored or belittled these people in the past then this is what happens. Just look at brexit or trump. These are the disenfranchised our message is not aligning with
I didn’t write that you agreed with his statement about slavery being a choice. I wrote your interpretation of his statement, the bootstrap nonsense is how you actually feel. I am neither uncomfortable or mad. You are using his idiotic statement to express what you feel. Another poster pulled the same shit with the his “get over it” nonsense.
He thinks slavery was a choice, there is no deeper meaning to his statement and any interpretation you have are just your feelings.
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Did he even mention democrats and republicans? Or that voting democratic was voluntary slavery? He literally said slavery was a choice. Did he say anything about Trump wanting to be for change? I believe he only likes Trump because Trump is very, very similar to Kanye and he saw that if Trump can become president, maybe he could as well. He at one point said that if he ran for president, he'd have Trump's energy with Sanders' policies.
And even then, he is still saying it knowing he has a massive following of old and young people.
It doesn’t actually matter what he may believe or not. What matters is that he is amplifying white supremacist talking points and outright lies. That’s the message he’s sharing.
And that is highly damaging.
Again, I am not a republican. I don't agree with "bootstrap" idealogy. I can still grasp the basics of what republicans think politically, and try and use that to think about what they may be saying.
I ask you again to provide ANY quote or proof whatsoever that I said I agree with that. Or is it just fine to call people cowards and liars based on nothing but tales from your ass?
There was more to my post. It is my interpretation of your interpretation. See how that works.
It is also amusing that you think because you voted for Sanders and you're not a republican you couldn't possibly think what you posted.
Bootstrap ideology isn't limited to republicans. A lot of democrats think that, as well.
Why is that amusing?
Sanders is for creating policies that help support people, and funding it through taxation of the rich. It's literally the opposite of bootstrap ideology.
Can you just make your point instead of dancing around it with half explained sentences that lead to nothing? Explain to me why that is amusing. Is Sanders a secret cowardly liar too?
so you don't know much about kanye west and have only seen some clips on what he's said but you're here to belittle people who are reacting at what he's saying? ok
I am not dancing around anything. I posted what I think of you and your interpretation of West's statement.
It is amusing that you think because you are not a republican and voted for Sanders means you couldn't possibly think that black people could possibly need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps.
Are republicans and people who didn't vote for Sanders the only people who believe in lifting oneself up by the bootstraps?
I don't know, are they?
I can tell you what I voted for, which is a lot more than you've done. I can explain to you what his policies were, if you're unfamiliar with it.
Once again, why do you think this means you couldn't possibly think that black people should pull ourselves up by our bootstraps?
And before you attempt to divert the conversation away from your interpretation of West's statement. Care to respond to this:
Because I voted for the opposite of what you claim I think, based on zero evidence.
I'm not diverting anything. I'm talking about exactly what you accused me of in your first post addressed at me, and how it's based on literally nothing.
As far as his statements about democratic voting, I based it on this post.
Your argument is basically “I can’t be a chauvinist, I have friends that are women.”
My claim is based on your interpretation of West’s statement which has nothing to do with what he actually said. You’re projecting.
Sure you are, you’re trying to make this about Sanders and how voting for him means you could possibly think certain things about certain people.
You based that whole post on a post about some random online game?
First you came into this thread having not seen the videos and now you based that other post on another post about someone who heard some random guy online else say what Kanye may have said... yeah
That's bullshit. No one is talking about friends. I am talking about my own actions in the voting booth. Me.
So, you have literally zero reason to explain why me saying I voted for Sanders is "amusing." Zero, nothing at all of any substance.
You just like to bully people whenever you encounter any ideas or conversation points that make you uncomfortable, and then hope they can't defend themselves and get banned.
Now I know you're full of shit. Hopefully everyone else can see that too. Enjoy your thread, and your next baseless, evidenceless witchhunt.
Says the guy who based a post on a post about how the poster heard a random guy online heard Kanye say something.
I have explained why it is amusing.
I'm sorry, who are you? Nothing about what you posted has made me uncomfortable nor do I give a shit if you get banned or not. I don't know you and I most certainly don't care about what happens to you.
Your ideas are what I responded to, did I not? I want you to say how you feel instead of hiding behind what you claim is an interpretation of West's words.
Witch hunt? Come on, Your whole post is based on some random guy online and not what West actually said.
This thread honestly keeps delivering.
Can we go back to discussing how revolutionary 808s & Heartbreak was :D
You deserved to get dogpiled for this dumbass post.
Your saying this was a witchhunt is a shame, as this all turned out to be a fruitless endeavor where you haven't learned anything or self-reflected at all.
I feel odd about 808s. The popular songs that got a lot of radio play aren't very good in my opinion. However, Street Lights, Paranoid, and Coldest Winter are some awesome tracks.
Don't you mean revolutionary 88?