The dude literally came into the thread and said that he doesn't know the context of West's comment about slavery when the video was posted in the OP.
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Kanye TMZ Live Interview: "When you hear about slavery for 400 years. ... That sounds like a choice"
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NPR came to the same conclusion I did actually, just 3 days ago. Found that on google in about 30 seconds. I guess that means NPR is projecting. Dozens more articles about the same thing.
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/6078...er-kanye-west-might-reveal-about-black-voters
https://www.npr.org/sections/codesw...e-controversy-can-teach-us-about-black-voters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mocrats/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f30c525dd8de
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Shouldn't you have done this research before you had made that post? Also, I admittedly skimmed over that transcript and I don't see much about how Kanye said that black people are in voluntary slavery to the Democrats or we're too complacent politically or that we shouldn't automatically vote for the Democrats. In fact, that post you linked earlier didn't say most of that either.
I didn't say you switched your position, as you don't actually have one, I said you switched your argument. I suppose your surprise is because you don't know his music and you're just posting your dismay at something you haven't even read, seen, or researched. Well, then, there's your explanation. The reason you're "shocked" is because you don't have the full picture. You can now cease your astonishment.
Also, I fail to see how "slavery was a choice" is a political view rather than an appalling statement. Is any political affiliation aligned to that statement?
Look, you found more well after you based your post on another post about the poster hearing a random online guy say Kanye said some shit. These links are much better. Still, people are upset with him saying that slavery was a choice. I don't think it was a conflation of voting democratic and slavery. He specifically said 400 years of slavery which is the main thing people are upset about. There's no other interpretation for it.
That's fine. I also said I can see why people find it offensive, at the bottom of this post here.
There is. Personally, I think it's not meant to be taken that literally. The entire controversy for over a week has been about voting and politics. He even explicitly compares being a democrat to being on a plantation in a song released 7 days ago ("All blacks gotta be Democrats, we ain't even made it off the plantation."). If you disagree, fine. Just don't attack me over it. I'm allowed to post a different interpretation of what he meant.
The controversy was mainly about him siding with Trump. People were still mostly alright with him and were willing to listen to his music still. Then he said slavery was a choice and that pushed a lot of us over the edge.
You cannot interpret his slavery comment any other way because he includes "400 years" and "it was all of y'all." That specific statement was about chattel slavery in the US.
I get that you're trying to be open minded and don't see it yet, but what you're saying is the height of white privilege. You can tune out dumb messages in songs without having to live with the unavoidable reality that those messages are part of structures that will get your kids murdered by the cops for wearing the wrong kind of sweater, or carrying the wrong type of toy, or just randomly running up against an insecure person in a position of power in a bad mood. People of colour just don't have the choices you do because they're very real matters of life and death. That's why what you're saying comes off as a bit callous.
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Besides this incredibly dumb way to open the conversation(nicely put).Suzuka shifted his goalposts towards having a point. Atleast half one.
Kanye did refer to slavery of the past and the slavery of today and he considers voting Democrat part of that. Which is of course insanely stupid, a pathetic dickmove against black people and ignores fully that Republicans went wholeheartedly racist, but you know that is Kanye in 2018 for you.
Look man... Gene Dumby does not know what the fuck he is talking about. Black people, in general and especially older Blacks, tend to be conservative yes... But they do not support the country's conservative party. Why? Gene Dumby's conclusion is because Black people feel pressured by other Blacks. That is fucking absurd.
"Hey I am Black and I'm in a voting booth where no one else can see who I vote for. I feel so much pressure from fellow Blacks, I'll just cave in and vote Dem!!" - How ridiculous does the above scenario sound? But this is the conclusion that Gene Dumby came to? Lol...smh.
The reason why Black people vote Democrat is because the conservative party in this country fucking caters to White racists . The Republican Party fought against The Civil Rights Act. LBJ and Dems signed it and since Nixon forward Republicans engage in the Southern Strategy (look it up) and have tried their best to disenfranchise and undermine Black people out of both animus and to get the lion's share of the white vote.
That leaves Black people with the Democratic Party. A party that *might* do something substantive for us but has often times just taken the Black vote and puts our needs last on their priority list. As Malcolm X put it the White conservative is a wolf, the white Liberal is a fox. The latter grins at you under the guise of friendship, but they are really bearing their teeth because you are next on their plate. Thus is the precarious situation Black America is in and X likened us to political hostages.
The Democratic leadership is nearly all White, Democrat cities are still effectively segregated in housing and schools, job discrimination has not made much progress in decades, minorities are still overpoliced etc... Meanwhile the politicians generally never attack racial disparities with the fervor that they should be handled with because they are guaranteed our votes.
You have a history degree? Then please go listen to Malcolm X's "Ballot or the Bullet" speech.
well stated. and lol @ blacks feeling forced to vote Dem.
We're just not generally into the brand of self-harm that Republicans offer people of color. The issues that black folk might be more conservative on are generally far less important issues to us than the issues that keep us voting Dem are.
I've been watching countless videos from those who don't agree with Kanye, and those who do.
I stuck at this point because I don't know how to feel about all of this.
One side is telling me what Kanye is doing is disrespectful & hurting myself & my community, but another side is telling me that I've been stuck in certain way of thinking all this time.
I don't know if any of you are black, but we can certainly have a discussion about how OR if Kanye's actions are hurting minorities & why.
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Kanye is repeating an outright lie peddled by white supremacists and these are the same ones telling you that you've been stuck in a certain way of thinking. If you can't decide on how to feel about that, then I don't know how to help you. Yes, I know that some of the ones saying stuff like that are black people, but you will also see a bunch of white supremacists prop up those black people and use them just like they are using Kanye.
There is 37 pages to this thread, with numerous posts about how his comments are damaging along with numerous videos of people making statements on the matter. I recommend you start at page 1 if you want to get the bigger picture about why people are offended/consider it damaging.
Ta-Nehisi Coates has an absolutely amazing, and surprisingly sympathetic, column on Kanye out today. He does an amazing of job of balancing between understanding how being isolated in the spotlight of fame for so long can make this happen and describing how damaging West's comments have been. Here's one small snippet:
https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...m-not-black-im-kanye/559763/?utm_source=atltw
https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...m-not-black-im-kanye/559763/?utm_source=atltw
But some of the videos you've been posting are outright manipulations masquerading as free or open thought. When you're posting stuff from dudes who have videos titled "How Charlottesville Might Have Been Staged" and "How The Media Lies About Guns", you might wanna stop and think about what you're doing before you spread that misinformation. And the dude doing "interviews" in the street and getting "reactions" was biased as fuck. The video was clearly pushing a narrative and was cherry picked/hand selected to do so.
They're designed to trick people into thinking there's a decent point to be made about "being on the fence" or "questioning the status quo" then pull the rug out and launch into crazy ass right wing nut bullshit.
I mean it seems pretty damn clear to me whether or not Kanye is making things worse or better. Dude is sporting a MAGA hat ffs, just for a start.. and spouting off stuff like "victimization is a disease". I don't understand how there's even a conversation/debate to be had here.
I dunno I mean this has been talked about for pages and pages now and I think logic leads us to Kanye being detached from reality. You cannot love your way out of social and political problems that have been in existence for hundreds of years (not to say we shouldn't be loving or caring in general). And pushing that narrative dismisses/buries real issues that people face everyday.